I've tried starting a game with no items before. I still won the game, so does that mean it 'works'?

Honestly, the argument has been presented to you so many times before. Dagger adds absolutely nothing to your starting game, ESPECIALLY in light of all the other starting options.



Throatslasher already suggested different runes in his first initial comments. Much as you may dislike him, you could try considering his runes. I believe other runes were also suggested but it's been diluted in 20+ pages.

A safe set would be:

3 MS Quints
9 MR Glyphs
9 Armor Seals
9 Armor Penetration Marks

A typical rune set-up, might not be optimal for all lanes, but think of it as an all-rounder runeset.



You get high level of play advice from players that are tiers and tiers and tiers above you.

You don't even have a full rune-set and you only have 300-400 wins under your belt. Your ranked games have double digits in death and highly negative KDA overall. If there is something you are, it's still wet behind the ears. I wasn't trying to be insulting, but I guess you fell for it either way and decided to hurl verbal abuse my way anyway despite you telling me not to verbally abuse you.

Being called a noob isn't always an insult. We were all noobs at one point. Well, most of us.



You may attempt an explanation if you so wish instead of just insulting my intelligence.



Hearing is not listening. You either do not understand what is being written to you or you are choosing to ignore it. It's also not always about 'new advice', especially since you haven't also fully listened to all the 'old advice'.

I'm just waiting to recreate.. I'm seriously trying to take advice, but, if you think my 2 guides (one of which is humor) are really so horrible, or that my response to negative feedback is so horrid, may your absence not be missed. If you don't want to be here no one forces you to, enjoy your leave and I'll take whatever feedback you give me. I may not appear to be, but I'm taking these words to heart. Every last one from every single comment.

Good job, I give up. I just hope you manage to grow enough playing this game that you'll either feel ashamed for all the guides you wrote up until now, archive them and perhaps even make new and good ones.


Of course "I hope" is an overstatement, I don't really care. Oblivion awaits this anyway, be it one week or one year.

Dagger works fine for me.
BT is under there because it gives huge lifesteal, but thanks, I may have overlooked that in a rush, I'll change that soon.

Executioner's is because it's cheap, good for countering certain champs. Highly situational, and mostly there for the crits. If you really think it's that horrible, fine, I'll remove it.

I think Quints/Seals are fine. Besides, I have no good Quints to test with, and no one else will test it anyways so not like it even matters.


That's why I want people to TRY IT, so I get higher level of play advice.
Oh, and thanks for calling me a noob, *****.


That argument.. Not even something I can touch on. If you can't understand what I mean by "viewer discretion", then no wonder you can't get anything out of this guide.


I just said I'd tried armor. Late game falls out with them, had to build HEALTH to compensate. Listen, if that's not testing, I dunno what is. Besides, haven't gotten any more suggestions lately.
Also, saying I can't listen? As I reply to everything you say? Hm, seems legit

Because it works. I thought maybe someone would actually try it and give feedback. First guide, first time learning. This should teach them a new way of using Sion.

I don't really have/want a blog.. I just wanted to see what would happen sheesh.. Plus, I was asked to make it after dominating a guy top lane, post game screen. They loved it. the other ~30 downvotes? People that didn't try it.

I'd kinda like the feedback before I post what I want to be the last time I have posting it.

I'm not even going to ask how playing once with armor made your late game worse, moving on.

Last question: Why make the guide? I mean, sure, you said you're sharing how it works for you. But why put it on the guide section instead of a blog? People will naturally downvote it because it doesn't matter if it's "casual" or "my way", what people need is something that is optimal, that teaches the hows and basics of the champion and the best build options, mastery settings, runes and skill order. No one - no one - is going to be skimming the top good guides looking for "how does random mister x play Sion?" unless they already knew it was there or they're doing some sort of weird game.

Your effort caused you a lot of trouble for nothing except maybe a chance to learn how to improve, but it could've gone a lot better if you just shared on a blog and were open to critique.

The Dagger is still there, is it not?

Bloodthirster also isn't a survivability item per se, since it requires you to be in combat to 'survive', and since surviving also includes when you're running away and you're taking harass damage, for example.

Executioner's Calling isn't really that great an item. Even if the passive is useful, the stats really aren't.

You're still also running 0 escapes on a 0 escape champion.

Quints and seals are still hp.

That's 5 errors still apparent.



We are saying that it works because the matchmaking system puts you with people on your level of play, i.e. newbs. Therefore, when you say 'it works', it means it works against people who have about the level of experience you do and don't know how to actually properly play the game.



We are saying that the errors are not up for reader discretion. No matter who is reading, wrong is wrong. If it was reader's discretion that they decided the Earth was flat, it doesn't mean they are right.



Why can't you try it all? You have time to waste responding to us when you could be testing these things or at least working the maths out so you see that %hp runes are rubbish until ~30 minutes into the game as people have already said.

And we know listening is hard for you, as you have been struggling with it for about ~20+ pages of discussion.

People gave you feedback, you ignored it by insisting on them trying first. Even diamond-rated players cared enough to give you feedback. That's the part that's disrespectful. I'd say write a new guide and archive this one, then treat the ones who provide feedback with a little more respect.

This guide isn't for the perfect Sion, it's for showing others how I play him. Perhaps if you'd read my signature, or the guide itself? Also, this guide is working just fine for me. I don't want to be the strongest thing in the game, my goal is to have fun, and I do.

I mentioned it's not for ranked, and multiple times I mentioned "reader discretion". Should you take either of these into account.. And also, I'd love to hear you state one thing wrong with the guide. go ahead.

Tried some stuff, can't try it all. Tried armor runes on Sion, a suggestion I'd had, my late game got worse. Hm. Took a suggestion, didn't work any better, and so I ignored it. Alright? I've tried listening, but it's not easy, y'know.

Well, sorry? I'm really just waiting for more feedback before reposting right now.

How is it impossible for you to understand that players that played Sion, that played over 3K league games, that played every single ****ing champ in this game know that this guide won't work because they have gained the perception and ability to know a lot of what works and what doesn't? Literally ANY of us could beat the **** out of you or a same-skilled Sion with a Sion of their own that actually brought the right runes, masteries and summoner spells.

I would try to write what's wrong but it's been said over and over. We don't need to try to know it's suboptimal just as we don't need to cut our fingers to know it'll hurt. And all that stuff in your brain that "it works for me" well sherlock at your level of gameply people don't have decent runes/masteries/mechanics/map awareness/anything. Any of us could take your mmr and rip the opposition apart.

So stop being stubborn, read the advices out here, try it out and learn stuff instead of staying stale and - pardon my french - bad.