Ryze in ARAM: Muramana or Seraph's?

[quote=morius]Hello everyone! I was wondering, which of these two items would be better on [[Ryze]] in ARAM? From the math that was done a while ago by the guys of surrender at 20, we know the following: If we do an autoattack every 2 spells, [[Muramana]] deals way more damage than [[Seraph's Embrace]], but the mana costs end up being huge. Now, let's consider that ARAM is a big team fight, all the time. So, it would seem that Muramana could be the better option. However, unlike Summoner's Rift, one can't just recall to base and heal and recover mana, which means that if you finish up all your mana in a couple of combos, you will be pretty much useless for a while until it regenerates (which makes Seraph's sound like a better option). So, based on your experiences with Ryze and ARAM, which item would you say is better? [[Muramana]] or [[Seraph's Embrace]]?[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]In ARAM is always better to sustain than to burst, IMO. Sure, burst damage has its uses, but if go completely useless for a while and fights are still breaking out, you're better off offering yourself to the enemy so you can get more items.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][[seraph's embrace]].[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][[Ryze]] has to reach [[Seraph's Embrace]] to be effective in any gamemode, imo. I only get tear on him, most of the time.[/quote]

[quote=DeOnde]Seraph's works better in ARAM because you can suffer from heavy mana starvation, also the shield is specially powerful on [[ryze]] while also giving tons of mana and AP[/quote]

[quote=gotoh]after the muramana changes [[seraph's embrace]] became the better option. The tear nerfs essentially made getting both impossible and as you pointed out you can't get mana back effectvely; i'd go for [[seraph's embrace]].[/quote]

[quote=Amneziaad]Seraphs Embrace way more Sustain and you can´t get both so better take it[/quote]

[quote=dragon00bicus]Get [[Muramana]] & at least a [[Chalice of Harmony]].[/quote]

[quote=drakon136][[Seraph's Embrace]] is better now, because he cannot stack it otherwise.[/quote]