Best champs for passive gameplay? (details inside)

[quote=ShenMasterFlash]Hey guys, trying to improve my play by evaluating my mistakes, and I find that most of my deaths and mistakes come from playing too aggressive and trying to make too many plays and overestimating my chances. I understand most of this is just learning champion limits and whatnot, but some champions kind of need to take advantage of those early levels and snowball in order to have an effect late (Pantheon being an extreme example). I had a really interesting talk with a friend of mine that is pretty high elo, Diamond 4 atm i think, and he actually suggested to me a very PASSIVE type of gameplay, saying that is how he climbed the ladder. He mains mid and jungle, which found strange given the popularity of mid roaming snowbally assassins right now, and gank-heavy junglers. His plan basically revolved around just farming the jungle unless he was 100% sure he could get kills in lanes, and getting an advantage over the enemy jungle who would "waste time" trying to gank lanes. Same with mid, he would just not worry about trying to 1v1 the enemy laner, he would just try to stay safe, farm up, take wraiths wolves, and build an advantage that way without roaming. Of course, sometimes enemy jungler ganks or mid roams are successful, but his "plan" revolves around the opinion that people in low elo and even mid elo do not know how to press advantages. Like, it doesn't matter if the enemy jungler got a kill bot, because they probably aren't going to press that hard into a dragon and a tower, people are too content with just the kill, so you're really not losing out on much. I was just curious what people thought about this kind of strategy, and then secondly if anyone thinks there are particularly good champions to do this kind of thing. From the looks of things, you'd want someone with good sustain (to clear jungle or to constantly take wraiths/wolves), good farming ability (same), and scales fairly well into team fights and late game. Hah, I guess those aren't really helpful parameters for narrowing it down, so I'll just leave it at that, and see if anyone has any suggestions.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist][quote=throatslasher] Final thoughts: CS, CS, CS. If you have a choice between cs'ing and harassing, always take the CS. [/quote] one of the biggest differences i have noticed watching high level streams versus my typical games is that high level play consists of focusing objectives and cs even if that means playing a bit more passive and avoiding champ fights...low level play = f*ck cs i want to kill b*tches...which is stupid.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][[vladimir]][/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]Would [[Nasus]] count for jungle? coz his q really scales with the farm and he has sustain, for mid lane [[Swain]] is one that pops into mind.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][[swain]] is an aggressive laner who has no way of securing CS with 1 or 2 clicks, so it's more beneficial to go for kills on him than afk farm. [[talon]] can be played as an afk farmer too.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Champions that come to mind that CAN play passive (but not necessarily the recommended way): [[zed]] [[renekton]] [[veigar]] [[orianna]][/quote]

[quote=sherb]hi, I've yet to reach lvl 30 and I've found I do better if I play near the tower and just last hit minions. Early damage is low anyway and i don't try to do any killing until at least i get my ult. It works well with pretty much all the heroes that I've tried(range heroes are easier to stay safe). Nasus is a good hero for this play style, farm your q until 200 before u go anywhere. The main obstacle to a passive start is an aggressive partner. Sometimes there are players that just rush all the time, push the lane to enemy tower and start screaming if you don't help when they jump on enemies even though none of us have enough damage to kill the other guy.... So I prefer mid or some lane where i can solo it or find a partner that will play passive too.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Why would you play passive on [[renekton]]? He's like the most dominant top laner out there. Anyway, playing too aggressive is fine, you just need to tone it down. I would not recommend playing passive. It's better to learn the limits of a champion and die a little too much now than to never learn the limits of a champion.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]I'm not saying you should, I'm saying he can. During laning phase, if you don't want to play aggressive, [[renekton]] is still amazing for clearing waves, even if that's not the ideal way to play him and I don't personally recommend it.[/quote]

[quote=Cryst4]For mid lane: [[Anivia]] -Once 6 insta clear waves -> wraiths -> Wolves -> Lane. [[Vladimir]] -Well you can't duel almost anyone before like lv9 so u might aswell focus on farm. [[Lux]] -DAT RANGE. Seriously, nothing opponent laner can do to stop you from farming. [[Orianna]] -Similar to Anivia in a way that amazing ability to instaclear waves and wolves and wraiths. To be honest, while not quite as quick clear as Anivia I feel like she manages blueless times a lot better. [[Kayle]] -Can be played as farmer, since she scales extremely well. I would recommend taking TP so you can help bot etc. if needed. [[Ziggs]] -Everyone watching big preseason tournaments know Ziggs can and will farm extremely well. [[Ahri]] -While being somewhat assassin, I feel like she has one of best farming ability out of those. I prefer to play Ahri with TP and just farm farm farm until I see opening rather than running around the map looking for ganks like headless chicken. [[Kog'Maw]] -They shall nerf assassins even more so mid AP kog will come a thing again. But if you play it he can insta clear waves too. E trough the wave and ult for finishing front line. [[Twisted Fate]] -Oh well you aren't able to fight your lane opponent anyways 99.99% of the time. Some prefer to play more gank heavy TF, some like Alex Ich prefer to play more farm heavy.[/quote]