Season Four Vision Changes

[quote=DillButt64]http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/an-introduction-to-our-vision-changes.html#more the first thing i noticed was that pink wards are going to be visible, thats going to make warding waaaaaaaaaaaaay different, placing a ward just outside of the vision range of a pink ward is going to happen a lot, and you wont be able to just place one and let it sit there since its going to be visible, anyone can just break it, they do last forever and have 5 hits instead of threes, and also cost less than 125 gold ward limit seems ok, it sounds like itll keep teams that are behind from having their whole jungle warded unless everyone on the other team is warding equally, having only 3 wards (includes sightstone and wriggles) and 1 pink seems like itll be a little less impossible to gank bot lane trinkets seem ok, i would probably build the mini-CV trinket because it seems like it would make the junglers life hell, its nice that theyre free too so if youre mid lane you can start dorans and 2 pots and still be able to have a 1 minute ward i like some of the changes but not others, being able to only have 15 wards at max on the map and 5 pinks on the map (this is if every single person is warding and we all know theres going to be some people not warding) to me doesnt feel like its enough[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]you are late :D mowen pls nerf blogs, they are always faster than the threads :DD[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]blogs are lame, not everyone looks at them, forum threads get more traffic, go away pls ):[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]plogs ahre awesum thei aer op becuz on frondpake al de tiem.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I really like the trinkets. Teams will have to organize which trinket each player will take to have maximum effectiveness. It'll also help the support by making him not the only person to have to buy utility. If an enemy team has stealthy characters, get maybe extra sweepers. Solo laners should probably either start with a totem or sweeper. Jungler I could see using any of them, support I would probably get sweeper or lens, ADC I'm not too sure but probably sweeper or lens. One thing I don't like though is that sweeper looks like a huge nerf to stealth characters because pretty much every team will have at least 2 free reveal items for the stealth character and IDK what Disable's stealthed units but if it means like CC the stealthed unit I'm not sure I would play any champions that rely/use stealth alot.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]im pretty sure trinkets are gonna have some huge cooldowns so things like akali and twitch are still going to be safe since their stealth is on a lower CD[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]but still imagine if the sweeper is a stun on stealthed units... that's ridiculous[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Also even if their stealth is low cooldown it is usually essential to their survival so negating it, even if it doesnt stun them, can change life and death situations quite often[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]it doesn't work on stealthed champions (at all)[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]so can throwing a pink ward down right now? sweeper is essentially a pink ward lol im pretty sure sweeper is meant to keep champions like shaco akali and twitch from being too strong since you can only place one pink ward down, and that should be used as map ward so this will be used in the middle of fights when an akali uses her shroud EDIT:Sweeper: "Reveals and disables nearby invisible units (including Wards) for a short time" do champions not count as units? i always thought they did[/quote]