With the new defensive masteries being kinda...

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]Well the source used states [url=http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Tenacious_(Season_Four_Mastery)]otherwise[/url]. Either way I believe the last ability in the defensive tree represented in the pbe is weak. My post is still good, you can call it fairy magic tanky time for all I care. Sorry if it confused you.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Yeah but we were talking about the tenacious as it was mentioned in the official league post, I agree that the tenacity is quite bad for an 'ultimate' perk.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] Yeah but we were talking about the tenacious as it was mentioned in the official league post, I agree that the tenacity is quite bad for an 'ultimate' perk. [/quote] All ultimate perks have become crap, especially the offence tree one is just... wow.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Vynertje] Yeah but we were talking about the tenacious as it was mentioned in the official league post, I agree that the tenacity is quite bad for an 'ultimate' perk. [/quote] All ultimate perks have become crap, especially the offence tree one is just... wow. [/quote] They are all early tree S3 masteries moved to the bottom... and reduced to one point masteries, other than the "MS out of combat" one, which has been more than doubled for one point instead of 3.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]At least Mundo and Zac will go 100% sure into defense.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Vynertje] Yeah but we were talking about the tenacious as it was mentioned in the official league post, I agree that the tenacity is quite bad for an 'ultimate' perk. [/quote] All ultimate perks have become crap, especially the offence tree one is just... wow. [/quote] This is - intentional or not - pretty much what they're trying to do. Instead of skilling that tree "just to have that ult" it's more like to simply get it since you already skilled to the second to last tier and it's only one more point. But I kinda dislike how they implemented another two skills which give you +X% dmg by reaching a condition that makes the skill only work half the fight. And how is the reset on those, they didn't wrote anything? Is it like Guinsoo's Unique until you're outfight?[/quote]

[quote=SirWhiteKid]I saw the Defense masteries. Op[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator][quote=SirWhiteKid] I saw the Defense masteries. Op [/quote] Indeed they are. I will go 0/30/0 on my tank [[Zac]] now. Don't need mana or MS or elixir duration, also no longer MPen in Tier 3 offense, so I can skill all that outrageous tankiness^^. Especially the Perseverance is op, it is basically 1.5 times a Warmogs regen if you are at 50% hp, and the "Godmode under 25%hp" mastery is just... ridiculous.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Made a little excel-table with excel 2010 in which you can calculate how effective Perseverance is: [URL=http://www.file-upload.net/download-8311048/Perseverance.xlsx.html]Perseverance.xlsx[/URL][/quote]

[quote=drakon136]Which is to say not at all, I imagine? More useful than previously, but still not very good? EDIT: Just looked at new Perseverance. Seems useful, actually. After looking at the new mastery changes, I came to the conclusion that Aatrox = happy![/quote]