I see that many of you comment on these columns and I will try to make some changes to make the guide look better, but I would like to remind that although your build suggestions are good but this is just the way I play it and I have won many games like this.

I'd go BT zeal LW PD IE on Graves. If you get IE + BT you delay LW for quite a long time and the PD is so late. Like you'll have pretty decent burst but after that you have no AS or crit to follow up until 5th item which is so late. IE just isn't that good on Graves anyway, you don't need it until lategame. I'd also try to avoid getting Havoc in offense since it doesn't really do much of anything.

Also you should only list viable spells in your guide, don't bother with listing Smite, Clarity, CV and so on.

As far as your guide goes would like to point out a few things coding wise. The way you place icons next to text is a bit unappealing. What you should do is use columns for that. I'll take cleanse as an example. I know a few of the people here also mentioned that but I figure I'd just give you the whole template straight away.

Cleanse is viable for ad carries, but it has only one use, dispelling CC on yourself, when compared to Barrier which you can use to save your life from executes and bait fights. Cleanse should only be picked against heavy CC team, keep in mind that you can't cleanse suppresses or knock ups.

Is what you did. I think you should go with;

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Cleanse is viable for ad carries, but it has only one use, disspelling CC on yourself, when compared to Barrier which you can use to save your life from executes and bait fights. Cleanse should only be picked against heavy CC team, keep in mind that you can't cleanse suppresses or knock ups.

It's pretty simple to do and I think it'll make your guide looks much better. Here's an empty template for that, and you just insert the Icon (be it item, skill or spell) and the text:

[columns][[icon=ICON size=SIZE][nextcol][color=black]||[/color][nextcol]TEXT[/columns]

Didn't vote yet but I'd be happy to upvote if you were to make the changes to the build so feel free to message me if you do decide to do that. Good luck :]

I'll give this guide my official stamp of approval. GJ this is so good ;). Love it i got penta with this guide graves is so OP riot plz nerf.

The "guide to making a guide" is linked in my signature. You can take a peek at it to see any coding tips or if you were wondering what something means.

Yeah, Agoney pointed out some really good stuff. Besides, you can use columns when talking about lane matchups and supports (you can read abou this in the coding guide too) to create something like this:

EXPLANATION: " Ashe has basic attack range of 600 and her Volley will make a good poke against graves, but without her ultimate she is at a disadvantage in a straight fight. Ashe is a medium opponent."

Furthermore I think Statikk Shiv is more a rush item. Many players rush Bloodthirster + Statikk Shiv you might consider this.

Good to know! If you have any questions feel free to PM me, or if you are unsure of how to do some sort of coding read "Johi-Johi's guide to making a guide" It will outline how to do pretty much all coding that you can do on mobafire.

Thank you for your feedback, I am making improvements as often as they pop into my head. But like I said I am not very good at the coding, so the rune section might be hard for me to accomplish, and also the pro/con section is something I have no idea how to improve the outlook, it has been a problem for me before. But icons, mastery section, possibly some coding to the runes and more colors are on their way!

Hey man! I really liked your guide and was hoping you would be willing to change some things to make it better. You don't have to change any of this, but I really think if you made these changes it could really help you out.

1- First off, make some bigger images! I see that you have the name linker thing down (ziggs vs Ziggs) but you can also make icons and stuff. For example: use [ icon = ziggs size= what ever number you want ] to make something like this:

I image you could do a lot with this, like make bigger images of champions under the laning against x champion section to better show where each potential enemy is at a glance.

2- Add a mastery section explanation. Every point counts!

3- You pro section of pro con looks a bit off. The first line is floating above the others for some reason xD

4- Maybe add some coding to your rune section?

5- Color this ***** up bro! Add some of your favorite colors to make this more interesting to read.

Tell me if you decide to make these changes, and if so when you finish them let me know so I can +1 and we can keep improving =)