Double Targon

[quote=DillButt64]well if you dont get a red trinket against a teemo/shaco now you probably deserve whats coming to you, and you dont need to be the only one with the red trinket even though its good on junglers other people should be getting it[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]^ should is correct XD even than you won't be able to gain vision control with red trinket. maybe that is how they want it to be though.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]well with red trinket youre giving up vision control with denial of vision as the trade off[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]hmm i don't think you are getting my point....how many wards can you clear with the red trink? 2? 3? if they are clumped. ok clear them. now i come over with a sightstone and lay 3 right were you cleared them...how long till you can clear them again? that is the point i am trying to make. red trinket can not keep up with laying wards...but also like i said...maybe that is what riot had in mind.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]im pretty sure that is what they had in mind, one team having full vision while at the same time denying the other team of vision was a problem in season 3[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator][quote=DillButt64] im pretty sure that is what they had in mind, one team having full vision while at the same time denying the other team of vision was a problem in season 3 [/quote] To me it seems like they are kinda overdoing it with this. Pre 9 the vision reveal only lasts 4 seconds, which is just barely enough to clear one ward if you stand near it, with a cd of 180 seconds and damn short range... doesn't uncover stealth champs aswell, only at highest level.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]the point of the red trinket isnt to destroy the ward (fun fact if you use it and then attack the ward the ward can see you again) the point of the red trinket is to DISABLE the ward so you can run past it as though there isnt a ward there, its meant to destroy wards at later levels but pre9 its meant to disable the ward so you can run past it and gank[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator][quote=DillButt64] the point of the red trinket isnt to destroy the ward (fun fact if you use it and then attack the ward the ward can see you again) the point of the red trinket is to DISABLE the ward so you can run past it as though there isnt a ward there, its meant to destroy wards at later levels but pre9 its meant to disable the ward so you can run past it and gank [/quote] Which kinda wont work as the enemy can see it if their ward doesn't work anymore, right? Or will it just look like normal without showing champs?[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]If you look at the ward in the game it will be disabled and you will see that big ass red helicopter flying around but it doesn't affect the minimap so I guess it can catch people off guard if they just look at the minimap. Except that the range of it is low and the aoe is pretty small so you need to know the exact location of the ward and the ward will spot you for a few seconds before you get in range anyway.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]i dunno if it shows the ward disappearing on the enemies map or not and as thalia said you sort of have to know where the ward is pre9 due to the short range, which is why i think the range of it needs to be increased pre9 so its actually a bit more useful, its counterplay can be its huge cooldown[/quote]