4.5 patch.. huge patch

[quote=Cooper112]OMW 2 reworks pretty much with rengar and grgas. MF almost a rework so many changes and runes reworked and loads item changes [url=http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-45-notes]notes[/url][/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Changes look great. Super excited about the [[Rengar]] rework. Should make him a bit mroe viable as a team fighter and removes his BS Carry gib/splitpush steam roll gameplay. (Though, I'll be the first to admit I will miss the steamroll carry gib tower destroyer build)[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]I wonder if he will see a return of mf or graves with this buffs? Graves ult seems alot better now since it i think actually did less dmg than jinx ult and her's was global so hers if you landed it was kinda better. I just want other adcs besides Lucian, sivir and jinx and sometimes cait.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Cooper112] I wonder if he will see a return of mf or graves with this buffs? Graves ult seems alot better now since it i think actually did less dmg than jinx ult and her's was global so hers if you landed it was kinda better. [/quote] [[Graves]] already sees some use. He's not bad. He's just not overpowered. This just improves his AoE burst. The mana reduction on his E was kind of unnoticeable. MF however, not sure. She may have a resurgence, but her lack of combat mobility will always hold her back.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]those talon bug fixes are good, too bad item actives still make you come out of stealth[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]I like graves he was one my fav adcs problem is lucian does his job better he is better ability based adc through hole game.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Graves]] has higher point blank burst as far as I'm aware. Lucian has higher DPS with his abilities for sure though.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=OTGBionicArm] [[Graves]] has higher point blank burst as far as I'm aware. Lucian has higher DPS with his abilities for sure though. [/quote] Yea graves has the burst but if he cant burst anyone lucian will do more dps over time. I still feel graves biggest issue is killing tanks and front line. mf q seems really good her biggest strength was trades now mana costs lowered seems good. Oh and tf nice change imo since i found w did not last long enough any more harder gank with ult now its much better.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]>BLITZCRANK CAN NOW USE THRESH LANTERN WHILE ROCKET GRAB IS ACTIVE WHY RIOT WHY PLEASE DONT DO THIS[/quote]

[quote=Darealone][quote=OTGBionicArm] Changes look great. Super excited about the [[Rengar]] rework. Should make him a bit mroe viable as a team fighter and removes his BS Carry gib/splitpush steam roll gameplay. (Though, I'll be the first to admit I will miss the steamroll carry gib tower destroyer build) [/quote] No...NOOOO!!! I miss Q procs on towers and snowballing like crazy and being OP with my max W heal.[/quote]