The dancing goddess - Champion idea

[quote=Sporner]original post: [spoiler] short Lore: "in a long forgotten temple, there was a guardian statue watching over halls no human has walked for ages waiting for the return of the divine forces which had dissapeared along with the knowledge about them. "why am i alive?" was the thought of this lonesome guardion when our recent age dawned, not even noticing that she wasnt even alive before and that it was her first thought at all. she started wandering the ancient korridors, searching for anything that would catch her interest. eventually she found an exit. when she stepped outside she found herselve standing upon a hill surrounded by an endless wasteland, that was slowly recovering from the last war. she felt the remnants of the recent destruction and came to the conclusion that nothing in this world could compare to the beauty of a new beginning. then she started to dance... on her way, she destoyed anything that was in the way of a completely new beginning. aiming to embrace the whole world in the beaty she saw that day. her plans eventually lead her to the institute of war where every fight would cause destruction and a new beginning, making her dreams come true for all eternity." this champion is supposed to resemble some hindu goddess in design. the playstyle should be quite aggressive as it will focus on hughe temporary gains in attack speed. her basic attack is meele. PASSIVE: dance of random destruction the dancing goddess has additional basic attack (magic, high-ranged) with the same attackspeed as her usual basic attack (when not using abilities). her magic attacks arent controlled by the player, but hit a random target in range. the probability of an enemy being targetted is doubled for minions (and halved for the enemy champion with the lowest hp in percent of their maximum hp iff there are other champions in range). Q: the graceful dance cost: 20 mana per second cooldown: 30 seconds, cooldown resets when her mana falls below 100/150/200/300 the dancing goddess starts dancing towards the cursor continuosly gaining movementspeed (maxing at +40 after 4 seconds) and becoming intargettable for ranged abilities. the dance stops after 8 seconds, or when she reaches the cursor. both of her basic attacks stop while dancing. enemies in her path are slightly damaged. W: cost: 30 percent of her maximum mana (without bonus mana) cooldown: 40/30/20/10 seconds, cooldown resets when she reaches full mana her meele attacks stop for 4 seconds and her ranged attacks attackspeed is multiplied by the number of items giving her ability power, spellvamp or magic penetration (maximum x3). her movementspeed is halved during that time and the propabilities of hitting a target are reversed causing her to focus low health opponents over other champions over minions. E: cost: 30 percent of her maximum mana (without bonus mana) cooldown: 24/16/12/10 seconds, cooldown resets when her movements are stopped forcefully Her ranged attacks stop for 6 seconds, while her meele attack-speed is multiplied by the number of items giving her attack damage, livesteel or armor penetration (maximum x3). if no enemy champion is slayn by this ability, her movementspeed is lowered by 50% for 1 second after the end of the ability. R: rage of the divine cost: 75 percent of her maximum mana (including her bonus mana) cooldown: 30/26/22 seconds, cooldown is reduced by four seconds each time she launches an ability her meele attackspeed is multiplied by the number of items giving her lifesteal, attack damage, criticall chance, health, or armor penetration and her magical attackspeed is multiplied by the number of items giving her spellvamp, ability power, magic penetration or mana. as you noticed, this champ relies highly on item use, which i intentionally did, to resemble her use of multiple weapons at once due to her multiple arms. the "or" in the ability descriptions means that iff an item has for example lifesteal and +damage it still only counts as one item. all attackspeed multiplikations have a minimum of x1,5 as the abilities would be useless when having only one (or even worse: none) appropriate item(s) otherwise. as i am not too familiar with the balancing issues when creating a champion i'd like some advice to make my idea playable as well as defeatable. in addition i'd like some ideas of how and where to play her. every opinion, critic, advice and other idea is welcome! [/spoiler] lore: see original post recent reworked version PASSIVE: Enthusiasm Dancing goddess gains 0,25 percent livesteel and 0,25 movement- and attackspeed for every 100 damage she has dealt since her penultimate death (maximum after 8000 damage). [spoiler] I somewhat wanted to keep a gain in attackspeed for the multiple arms. the second basic attack didn't really fit in the concept after all. i'll probably add something to the passive later. [/spoiler] Q: cost: cooldown: the dancing goddess starts dancing towards the cursor, continuosly gaining movementspeed (maxing at +60 after 4 seconds). the dance stops after 4 seconds, or when she reaches the cursor. enemies in her path are slightly damaged. The Dance pauses when beeing stunned, rooted or silenced and continues once those unpleasant effects vanish. while dancing, there is a 10 percent chance to dodge an incoming attack or enemy ability [spoiler] the original version had a high duration and was meant to eather outrun enemies or follow them, that didn't change, however, i halved the duration and increased the speed bonus to make the ability more like a dash. the dodge chance replaces the not beeing targetable, and is meant to resemble, that the target doesn't move like a normal fighter would and therefore is hard to hit. [/spoiler] W: the dancing Goddess spinns really fast for 1 second, knocking back near enemies and freeing herself from stuns, slows and beeing rooted. while spinning tere is a 50 percent chance to deflect an incoming enemy attack or ability. if used while another ability is aktive, the other ability continues normally after the spinning [spoiler] as you can't move while spinning the cc effects aren't completely dissolved. the knockback is to save your tiny ass when they close in after diabeling your movement and to make this ability usable without beeing immobilized or whatever. the deflecting chance is similar to the dodge in Q, however ranged attacks and abilities that are deflected should be randomly redirected, so that there is a small chance to hit an enemy [/spoiler] E: Dance of swords throws her six swords through the air. they come down in a regular pattern alongside a straight line. each sword deals halve her ability power as magic damage in a small area around it. if an enemie is struck direcktly by one of the swords, they are stunned for 0,5 seconds. [spoiler] they come down similar to rumbles ult, just that iff you fire them over a greater distance, there will be gaps between the swords, whereas iff you fire them towards a nearby lokation they are close together making it possible for the enemy to be affected by several swords and increasing the chance of stunning the enemy. i assume it should take about 0.5 seconds to throw the swords and 1 second afterwards till the last sword comes down. there is a lowest distance to cast the ability to prevent all 6 swords coming down on the same position. [/spoiler] R: three faced divinity + random buff that i (or you guys) feel she needs for short time the next ability the dancing goddess launches will have additional effects: Q: hit enemies are slowed for 30 percent for two seconds, having 10 percent reduced armor and magic resistance during that time W: additionally unleashes a wave of fire, that does heavy aoe and burns the enemies for short time E: you gain +10 Movement speed for 2 seconds, iff you reach the position of a sword during that time you gain additional +15 movement speed for three seconds. reaching the next swords during that time increases theduration off the movement buff by three seconds each. iff you auto attack an enemy during that time you deal additional 75 true damage for each sword you passed. hitting an enemy ends the ability and the movement buff. [spoiler] you can use Q and W without interrupting your Ult+E. you can activate your Ult+W while Q is active. you can free yourself with W without interrupting your Ult+Q. [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Sporner]even without a replie i came to realice that W and E suck, ill try to come up with something else, unless i get some ideas from you guys it will take some time...[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator]I got a few reasons why nobody is responding to your champion Idea: [list] [*] Just as with guides - nobody wants to read walls of text. This comment is a wall of text itself, but I don't need anyone to read it, so its ok. [*] You don't have to invent things that are completely new. Just giving your champion an ability because there is no such ability in the game doesn't mean the game needs such an ability. I mean, what is the sense in an ultimate that scales on the amount of items you buy? Attack Speed has a cap, btw. What is the sense in having three of your abilities cost % of your max mana? There are just some basic things that all champions have in common, simply because these things are needed to make it a champion. It isn't "copied" from other champs if you take some basic skill (e.g. short range AoE farm skill) and work out one unique aspect of it (e.g. give it a sustain mechanic, give it some slow, give it resistance shred, whatever) [*] Think about your champion idea carefully before you post it here. Imagine your post was a Champion Spotlight from Riot and what you would think about it. Imagine this champion ingame. What would he do in the laningphase? What would he do in teamfights? For this example you should be wondering why all his abilities have so long cooldowns but his ult hasn't. How could he even poke or farm in lane when all his abilities have 30 second cooldown? Wouldn't you constantly push with your passive? Isn't 8 intargetable seconds just op, even if its only for ranged? Isn't this also kinda unbalanced, as it would make her extremely matchup dependant? Can't she just be kited forever because he has neither CC nor dashes? [/list] So, these were my main concerns. After all, just telling you to tweak some numbers won't make this a champion, it needs a general rework. Keep the lore if you like it, and keep the core of the ability you like the most, then redo all the rest. If you want some kind of orientation, you might have a look at my champion Idea blog (link is in my sub) to see how you could present your champs in a nice-to-read way. Greetings, Isolanporzellator. [spoiler=My Personal Rework Thought] I think she should use energy, not mana, as I associate the "dancing" style of her kit with Asian martial arts (And all the ninjas use energy, too). As ninjas used to imitate animals' combat style, I gave her 4 "animal dances" as abilities. I liked the idea of her q, so I kept its core in my e: [color=#808000]Passive (Dance Fever):[/color] Whenever an enemy is hit by her abilities, he recieves a mark for 6 seconds. The same dance cannot apply multiple marks to one champion with the exception of her ult. If an enemy has 2 marks on him, he starts dancing for 1 second, blocking his movement, aa and abilities. Her dances cannot be interrputed by CC abilities, she will be CC'd at the end of her dance. [color=#808000]Q (The Lion's Dance):[/color] [color=#00ffff]Cooldown: 9/8/7/6/5, 60 energy[/color] Dances in place for 0.5 seconds. Claws grow out of her fingers and deal physical damage to all enemies in a range of 300. She heals for 10/12.5/15/17.5/20% of the damage done. [color=#808000]W: (The Snake's Dance):[/color] [color=#00ffff]Cooldown: 14/13/12/11/10, 100/95/90/85/80 energy, Range: 800[/color] Dances in place for a second, then suddenly dashes towards the target, dealing physical damage and slowing it in combination with weak magic DoT. She only dashes to her target when it is within a range of 1100 after her dance (which means enemies can dash out of danger when she starts dancing). If the dash is cancelled, the cooldown is reduced to 5 seconds. [color=#808000]E (The Crow's Dance):[/color] [color=#00ffff]Cooldown: 14/13/12/11/10, 80/75/70/65/60 energy[/color] Dances towards your cursor for 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds with 60% increased movement speed, dodging all incoming ranged attacks and abilities. Crows fly out to the 3 closest enemies within 500 range, dealing small magic damage and blinding them for a second. She can be redirected in the process. [color=#808000]R (The Dragon's Dance):[/color] [color=#00ffff]Cooldown: 130/110/90, No Cost, Range: 700[/color] Dances in place for 2 seconds. 2 Dragon images are summoned and move around the player in circles, spitting out a huge burst of fire every second, starting with one instant burst upon activation for a total of 3 bursts. Each of these three deals AoE magic damage and applies a mark to all enemies hit. If she recieves lethal damage during her ultimate, the entire ultimate will go off before she dies. [color=#008000]Combos:[/color] [list] [*] Standard Harass: W to get in, then Q for the CC and walk out. [*] Strong Harass (High energy cost): W to get in, Q for CC, AA, then E to get out safely. [*] All In: W to get in, Q for CC, R for re-CC (small flash-escape window for the enemy), AA, Ignite, E to get out. [/list] One could easily say that this champ is just a mix of Kennen, Akali and Zed, but as you can see, it is a new champion, even though some abilities might seem copied. And you can also say that every champ Riot releases is just a mix of others (e.g. Yasuo has Jarvan's Q as Q, Fizz's Q as E and Fiora's ult as ult - still it ain't a copy of these champs as he is played in a totally different way) [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator]We're getting closer. However, I'm still uncomfortable with the passive. Reason is because it would be just like guys building [[Sword of the Occult]] or [[Mejai's Soulstealer]], means can be totally broken when you are ahead, and is close to useless when you are behind, and enables enemies to take a lot of your potential just by shutting you down once. If you want to keep Lifesteal and AS/MS gain - How about giving her a bonus of 10% to all these three for 5 seconds whenever you cast an ability, which can stack up to 40% if you cast all 4? For the Q: I hate luck. It's just too random. People should not lose because of bad luck, and not win because they were lucky with their one crit rune. That's why I don't like the Q's dodge chance. Give your champ 50% tenacity, slow reduction and damage reduction while spinning and it is just like "half intargetable" and therefor not OP. For the E: I think something ranged wouldn't be bad for her kit. For the R: Probably the Q enhance should be a little bit stronger or it won't really feel like an ultimate.[/quote]

[quote=Sporner]the dodging by chance isn't something you should rely on, it's yust so you don't have to use your spinning when you don't want to too often... also the dodge chances will neither affect abilities that don't need a target selected nor abilities that are cast on especially marked enemies as the mark usually is meant to be a help for aiming as for the deflecting while spinning: the duration is pretty low, just wait till she isn't spinning anymore... range will be included, yes[/quote]

[quote=Sporner]added E i think improvements on Ult+Q enhance should be made on the armor and magic resist debuff (if any). just call me a number^^[/quote]

[quote=Sporner]EDIT: changed passive from "damage dealt since your last death" to "damage dealt since your penultimate death" to make her less vulnerable to a shutdown. in fact, youd have to die without dealing any damage to comletely loose the buff, while she wouldnt be weakened at all iff she dies after dealing 8000 or more dmg.[/quote]

[quote=MegaGmat]I believe Isolanporzellator's rework is slightly more usable but some of it seems a little odd. None of her abilities being affected by cc although they seem to be channeled until they end? That seems a little unbalanced. The Q was a nice change. Also like the W. Both interesting ability ideas for a champion. Then there's E. How frequently do these crows come out to blind? They also seem a little TOO similiar to Swain's ultimate. And although it isn't a very long time period, +60% movespeed coupled with invulnerability to ranged attacks seems a little unbalanced. If the times on both were shortened or one were to be removed I think it would be more viable. The ultimate is quite interesting and I love the concept of it. Although the idea of the entirety of the ultimate going off because of death seems both wrong and intriguing. It's slightly remeniscent of karthus' passive with a little more oomph. It would a little more thought into a team fight. I think that's actually a pretty good ultimate. My one problem is the E, I think that needs some augmenting.[/quote]

[quote=Sporner]i dont see where non of her abilities are affected by cc as only her Q will continue after stunns etc weare off, her W only frees her from cc that is already affecting her. E is mainly for ranged damage output but i dont really understand why you think its similar to swains ult (propably because i never played him). what i had in mind was more like rumbles ult (with escape holes if you want to use it at a high range). as for the ult going to waste because of death: thats only if you activate the ult without casting an enhanced ability. well with her current ability to escape heavy cc i think one would either have to play too risky, or be up against some hard opponents for that to happen. however there is still that random buff to give, so maybe i should give her some sustain with that to make her live long enough to display all her abilities after hitting R.[/quote]