I'm not a jungler myself, but I would say that if you have a full rune set (which you might not have in that level) you do not need leash. You should more likely ask for someone to guard you for counter jungling. As 
Hecarim you should also start with blue as you will get mana reg and CDR which will really help you when you go for red.
If you however do not have enough runes you should probably get leash from either mid or top. The time it takes to leash for you is not enough time for the player to make plays instead. The only thing that will happen for them is a few CS behind.
Hecarim you should also start with blue as you will get mana reg and CDR which will really help you when you go for red.If you however do not have enough runes you should probably get leash from either mid or top. The time it takes to leash for you is not enough time for the player to make plays instead. The only thing that will happen for them is a few CS behind.
It gets better once you hit level 30 so you can get better mastery and rune pages, but it's still a hassle to kill the first buff for most champions. I usually start at the buff on the bot lane side, so I can get a leash of at least the support(the adc/marksman could lose some minions). It's not as necessary as it once was but I still recommend it, especially pre-30.
It's enough for them to land a few hits because you have smite, make sure they don't stick around too long so that they won't get a share of the experience. You need it yourself to reach level 2.
TL;DR: You're right, but make sure nobody loses farm because of leashing you(ask the support) and that they don't take your XP.
EDIT after seeing TheKut's post: I would advise against asking mid or top for a leash. Both lanes are usually played solo, especially mid has to be in lane early because the lane is short. Those few minions matter because sometimes winning a lane comes down to who gets level 2 first.
It's enough for them to land a few hits because you have smite, make sure they don't stick around too long so that they won't get a share of the experience. You need it yourself to reach level 2.
TL;DR: You're right, but make sure nobody loses farm because of leashing you(ask the support) and that they don't take your XP.
EDIT after seeing TheKut's post: I would advise against asking mid or top for a leash. Both lanes are usually played solo, especially mid has to be in lane early because the lane is short. Those few minions matter because sometimes winning a lane comes down to who gets level 2 first.
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You almost always start from the buff which is at the bottom jungle of your side. On blue side you usually start with Red Buff and on the purple side you almost always start with Blue Buff.
You want to start at the bottom buff because of the leash which is the best when your bot lane gives it due to there being 2 or 3 people to deal damage. This way you deal more damage and the laners can go back to their lanes faster because they can pull faster.
You want to start at the bottom buff because of the leash which is the best when your bot lane gives it due to there being 2 or 3 people to deal damage. This way you deal more damage and the laners can go back to their lanes faster because they can pull faster.
alphaprototype wrote:
This has sparked debate between a friend and I for a long while now. I jungle as Hecarium, when I start I usually go for red. My friend suggests that I not ask for anyone to leash for me when I go for either red or blue, as he states that " If you can kill it by yourself, there should be no reason you need help from anyone else" and that if somebody is leashing for me "they could be using that time to kill other players". Usually it is only 1 summoner that leashes with me.
My Rebuttal to this is that, while I can kill them without the help of another player, I burn 4 health pots doing so, and thus it puts me at a great disadvantage in building myself. Out levels are 21 and 19. Can the community clear this up for us and maybe clarify a few points? Any advice and criticism is always welcome!
If your jungler starts at your side, you should at least give him a little bit of help because it means he can clear the jungle faster and save some health potions. Especially if you don't have good runes / masteries you really need some help.
However, for the laners it is a slight disadvantage if you have to pull. Firstly you get to lane later which means you can lose experience and CS - this means your lanes have to back off in time so you don't lose any (that means they usually can only give you a few hits before having to head to lane). For bot lane it also means you cannot fast push level 1 which can be a HUGE disadvantage but that's a strategy that doesn't apply before you hit gold/platinum elo.
Also keep in mind that mid should never have to pull.
TLDR: Latest Legend is right, just a little bit more insight.
Janitsu wrote:
You almost always start from the buff which is at the bottom jungle of your side. On blue side you usually start with Red Buff and on the purple side you almost always start with Blue Buff.
You want to start at the bottom buff because of the leash which is the best when your bot lane gives it due to there being 2 or 3 people to deal damage. This way you deal more damage and the laners can go back to their lanes faster because they can pull faster.
Correct but keep in mind that sometimes you want to switch it up in order to avoid the enemy jungle in a 1v1 / 2v2 (as they usually expect you to start bot / mirror your jungle path)
Tell your friend to stop giving you **** advice.
Laners can give 1-2 autoattacks, 1 spell and still get to lane in time to get the exp/gold. Faster clear, safer clear, waste less pots and you can start ganking lanes earlier. At the very least, your team should cover your buffs so you don't die to an invasion.
Hell, some junglers can die without a proper leash - Evelynn as an example.
There are some exceptions, but Hecarim is not one of them. Junglers which do not require any assistance to pull are ones like Shaco or Nunu & Willump.
There are also some laners who shouldn't help you leash, like Fizz.
As Hecarim, it's best to get a leash. Any enemy laner shouldn't really be stupid enough to die 1v1 so early in the game at level 1. Tell your friend to get his head out of the clouds.
Laners can give 1-2 autoattacks, 1 spell and still get to lane in time to get the exp/gold. Faster clear, safer clear, waste less pots and you can start ganking lanes earlier. At the very least, your team should cover your buffs so you don't die to an invasion.
Hell, some junglers can die without a proper leash -
Evelynn as an example.There are some exceptions, but
Hecarim is not one of them. Junglers which do not require any assistance to pull are ones like Shaco or Nunu & Willump.There are also some laners who shouldn't help you leash, like
Fizz.As
Hecarim, it's best to get a leash. Any enemy laner shouldn't really be stupid enough to die 1v1 so early in the game at level 1. Tell your friend to get his head out of the clouds.
I jungle all the time and even though I *can* kill the first buff by myself, it makes a big difference having some help on that first camp. The hardest part for any jungler is completing that first jungle clear. It's usually a slow and painful process. The more help you can get on that first camp, the faster it goes which means the faster that you can start ganking and/or get back to base to get items that will make the next clear faster. It's an exponential factor. The faster you can make that first clear, the better your items become earlier, which helps feed you more gold/kills, which makes your further items come in faster.
As for which buff to start with, I tend to start red on most of my junglers, because the extra damage really makes a difference during that first jungle clear. I tend to go red, wraiths, blue, and I usually still have plenty of mana by the time I get to blue to fight the camp.
As for which buff to start with, I tend to start red on most of my junglers, because the extra damage really makes a difference during that first jungle clear. I tend to go red, wraiths, blue, and I usually still have plenty of mana by the time I get to blue to fight the camp.
dont listen to your friend he has no idea what hes talking about
hecarim needs help with his first buff since his first clear is disgustingly bad and his main weakness is his early game and getting counterjungled, the other jungler with more hp is more than likely going to kill you if you have less than 100 hp after clearing red buff if he decides to find you there
also i always try to start the buff closest to bot lane for safety but starting blue first on hecarim is always nice because he scales better with CDR and needs mana regen after his Q got nerfed
hecarim needs help with his first buff since his first clear is disgustingly bad and his main weakness is his early game and getting counterjungled, the other jungler with more hp is more than likely going to kill you if you have less than 100 hp after clearing red buff if he decides to find you there
also i always try to start the buff closest to bot lane for safety but starting blue first on hecarim is always nice because he scales better with CDR and needs mana regen after his Q got nerfed
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My Rebuttal to this is that, while I can kill them without the help of another player, I burn 4 health pots doing so, and thus it puts me at a great disadvantage in building myself. Out levels are 21 and 19. Can the community clear this up for us and maybe clarify a few points? Any advice and criticism is always welcome!