Playing to Be Evil

[quote=Vaan99]I've seen this already, it's ok, but there's one problem... LoL is teamgame and if 1 team member knows this and does like this,it won't help much, i think everyone lost the at least one game in which they were doing great (10/0/sth), just because others in your team sucked. Same is with this, you can't win game alone (ok, you can at summoner lv 10 with backdoor yi)...[/quote]

[quote=Dante Rebellion][quote=Vaan99] I've seen this already, it's ok, but there's one problem... LoL is teamgame and if 1 team member knows this and does like this,it won't help much, i think everyone lost the at least one game in which they were doing great (10/0/sth), just because others in your team sucked. Same is with this, you can't win game alone (ok, you can at summoner lv 10 with backdoor yi)... [/quote] lol backdoor yi. Loved those days... Damn you summoner level 30's! DAMNNN YOUUUU![/quote]

[quote=Visfarix]lol well I was going to write a full on summary for this article but I accidentally hit the back button when I was almost done and I don't feel like trying to retype it all. But suffice to say, it's a good article and you should definitely read it at least once. The only parts I don't really like are when the writer encourages use of "verbal psychological warfare" (basically using all-chat and subtly lowering enemy morale through discouragement, taunts, veiled statements, etc.), which he does quite often, and player targeting. Otherwise everything else is legitimate gaming strategy and encompasses everything from general game strategy, like unpredictable play and laying traps, to more LoL specific strategy, like bush juking and backdooring.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]tl;dr- Veigar complex wins games.[/quote]

[quote=Alahric]Epic, most enoyable read. My archtype would mainly be defensive loose, and a bit aggresive loose depending on the situation and champion.[/quote]

[quote=3picPanda]Just did halfway trough it, must say that I enjoy reading this alot! But yeah, people must not be scared that it's all about harassing the mentality of another person, it's mainly about surprising tactics and such that lowers the enthusiasm of your opponents :p[/quote]

[quote=ExamplePrime]I think this guy has a point But he is an asshole and if I met him I would punch him in the face for lying to get a job because he didn't want someone better than him to get it Arrogant fuck I read this a while ago though and believe I'm the middle ground between that defensive and aggressive personalities he was talking about I make calculated decisions sometimes whilst other times I just yell Leeeeroy and charge that damned Soraka Edit: Although some of the things he mentioned I already do, and some I do the opposite of the lift team moral And I did force somoene to rage-quit once so we could win, which we did[/quote]

[quote=Alahric][quote=ExamplePrime]But he is an asshole and if I met him I would punch him in the face for lying to get a job because he didn't want someone better than him to get it Arrogant fuck[/quote]I don't think he would outright lie, just put "psychological warfare" to practice. That's reality, we do whatever we can to get what we want. If not; then how does one succeed? Not all of us are perfect, it may be harsh but it's also necessity. He's not trying to be as amoral and evil as possible, he wants the benefits. Generally speaking he gives us the mindset and tips to best deal with solo-queue issues. Of course, this is not something we value in our society. But the truth is; all great leaders must abuse this to succeed, the fact that it comes at the expense of others is the root of all evil. But when that expense is directed to an 'enemy' that act is somewhat "justified" for the greater good of the team, amongst ourselves however; we often get your point of view. Bit ironic if you ask me, if this is the mindset that helps all of you win - wouldn't you say it's justified?[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Alahric] Bit ironic if you ask me, if this is the mindset that helps all of you win - wouldn't you say it's justified? [/quote] No, because it's a game I play first and foremost to relax and have fun. The more this is used on me, the more I'll hate this game. Since I'm not a hypocrite, I don't do the same to others. I do play to win, but I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't fun and this tactic just eats away all fun that's ever existed. Even when I use it I feel like a complete asshole and I don't have fun. TL;DR it's not justified. It'll just turn this game into work.[/quote]

[quote=Alahric][quote=Trojan995] [quote=Alahric] Bit ironic if you ask me, if this is the mindset that helps all of you win - wouldn't you say it's justified? [/quote] No, because it's a game I play first and foremost to relax and have fun. The more this is used on me, the more I'll hate this game. Since I'm not a hypocrite, I don't do the same to others. I do play to win, but I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't fun and this tactic just eats away all fun that's ever existed. Even when I use it I feel like a complete asshole and I don't have fun. TL;DR it's not justified. It'll just turn this game into work. [/quote]That's a dilemma I'm afraid, but I do see your point of view. The thing that bothers me here is that you like to win, yet don't want to do everything you can do to win. So either winning outweighs the burden of feeling like an asshole, or feeling like an asshole is bad enough to not do everything you can do to win. But what if we separate what you would except as subjectively moral, would you do it then? Think about it; doesn't being a good person imply you should help your allies win? (with or without demoralizing your enemy verbally?). TL;DR, [i]whatever that means[/i], you would still not do it, maybe you want to imply that you're a good person but lets be perfectly honest here; you don't care.[/quote]