7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Vorcia][quote=NicknameMy]I would say ADC [[Annie]] > ADC [[Ashe]]. You got more range, at least some form of defense and better cc. And [[urgot]], as we all know, is no ADC anyway. Also better than [[ashe]], ADC [[lulu]], lots of ways to outtrade your enemy in lane, great selfpeel and nice damage.[/quote] Do you ever read what you type or do you just press keys and just think what you've written actually makes sense?[/quote]

[quote=Zyad][quote=Vorcia][quote=NicknameMy]I would say ADC [[Annie]] > ADC [[Ashe]]. You got more range, at least some form of defense and better cc. And [[urgot]], as we all know, is no ADC anyway. Also better than [[ashe]], ADC [[lulu]], lots of ways to outtrade your enemy in lane, great selfpeel and nice damage.[/quote] Do you ever read what you type or do you just press keys and just think what you've written actually makes sense?[/quote]You're wrong... What he have written doesn't make sense at all[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Doesn't change the fact that [[ashe]] is so bad, nobody should ever pick her.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=NicknameMy]Doesn't change the fact that [[ashe]] is so bad, nobody should ever pick her.[/quote] [[Ashe]] isn't even that bad. She sucks in soloq sure, but she does have merits outside that.[/quote]

[quote=SkidmarkD]And even then, only past lvl 6 and only for the stun. And the short term vision.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]She has a slow. Other than that she honestly probably does a little worse than ADC Lissandra. Like I can see what OTG is talking about but "outside solo queue" is pretty much code for "builds entire team comp around the ADC and communicates reasonably well."[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]ADC Lissandra, pretty much proves the point I made lol.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Cooper112]Tris will fall off sooner or later she is only good atm because people cant close out game's in solo q. [/quote] No, she's still good because she still scales well and has two escapes, one of which is refreshable. -- What drugs are you on about [[ashe]]. Maybe you never went against a good ashe player or a fed one (rare, I know) but those give you absolutely no time to react. Ult - 3 autos - you dead (1st auto crit + shyv crit + 2 more autos. And maybe a volley). She isn't amazing for various reasons (meh laner and does poorly vs assassins, not to mention no mobility on something that has no steroids), but she isn't so terrible that [[anivia]], [[annie]] and [[lissandra]] built AD would be better. She does have a really decent AS/level stat. And unlike common thought, she plays pretty well with aggressive supports (Braum/Leona) because if they misposition and try to fall back they're probably pretty fucked. And chain cc. She is no goddess but calm down. -- About Karma, I think she does best vs poke lanes (except vel'koz, probably) because she outpokes and shields. She can do very well against Nami if her carry has the potential of aggression and isn't stupid (IE: [[lucian]] casting E into Nami's Q herpderp). Also, a good Karma has no issue casting Q on minions if it also hits the enemy champion because a) Free poke and b)pushing = more room for poking.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce][quote=Cooper112]Tris will fall off sooner or later she is only good atm because people cant close out game's in solo q. [/quote] Trist got a 7% attack speed nerf and like 20 secs more on her ult cd WOW SUCH FALLOFF MUCH WEAK SO WOW She barely got touched, if even that. She's not going anywhere.[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=XeresAce][quote=Cooper112]Tris will fall off sooner or later she is only good atm because people cant close out game's in solo q. [/quote] Trist got a 7% attack speed nerf and like 20 secs more on her ult cd WOW SUCH FALLOFF MUCH WEAK SO WOW She barely got touched, if even that. She's not going anywhere.[/quote] You forgot about the part where that 7% AS only applies when Q is up. When it's not, she has 27% lower attack speed. Also, the duration on Q was reduced by 2 seconds too, so not only is her attack speed all around lower, her main steroid is shorter too. IMO, Tristana was overrated to begin with, I don't agree that games are hard to close out. You pick Lucian, Corki, or even Graves or Twitch and you'll stomp Tristana early, you'll be fighting a 5v4 midgame, and you won't make it to lategame.[/quote]