Who is a great Preseason Unexpected Jungler?

[quote=Hatted][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I've played it. Hell, I even got a quadra kill playing it. Still trash. [[[shameless plug]]]I have a jungle [[Nasus]] guide btw[[[/shameless plug]]][/quote] Who needs Nasus anyway? Shame is the best champ.[/quote]

[quote=bitpik][quote=Hatted][quote=bitpik][color=#ffffff]I've played around 30 jungle shen games in the preseason(dia 1 - master) and i think its tier 2-3 worthy. Today i played vs brokenshard as shen, and he said on stream to one of h2k's members that he had played vs me on shen jungle twice in a row and that he thought it looked broken. Which boosted my ego by a huge amount.[/color] [indent][h2]This is probably the best build:[/h2][/indent] [img=http://i.gyazo.com/20f7f4f014e85f422afced5602fb22fd.png] Basically [[ranger's trailblazer - devourer]] + [[boots of speed]] > [[sunfire cape]]/[[randuin's omen]](i find randuin to be overall better actually). Other items that work(but not as well) are [[wit's end]] and [[zephyr]]. I can see [[stalker's blade]] working aswell but it would make clearing jungle much harder, especially on the first full clears.[[locket of the iron solari]] is ofcourse amazing if you're team doesn't have one(you have an ap support like [[vel'koz]]). My prefered jungle path(the one you should go unless you have to change it) would be to take all the small camps, recall and then do a full clear. On the second clear you can gank after red, and you can take red/blue in any order. The reason to why i take this path is first of all to reach level 6 as soon as possible which is great vs some junglers(having shen ult is amazing versus for example [[warwick]] and [[vi]]). Secondly its to get devourer quicker(this path gives the most reliant gold). Runes: [img=http://i.gyazo.com/2f3ed62f3db5d61b1171a43c1051d57d.png] Masteries: 9/21/0[/quote] Wow. I really appreciate this all, dude. +Rep to you for going above and beyond. I assume you just use Shen's Q on the larger monster and keep healing/damaging it. I don't own Shen but I might consider getting him since you did so well. Hate to put more work on you, but what do ya max? Is it like Rammus where I max my taunt first solely for ganks? Once again, wonderful information. I'll give it a shot. :)[/quote] Always max Q first and W second in most games. Shen's W is kind-of strong so maxing it over the shorter E cooldown is worth it. Try to learn the taunt>flash combo as it helps a lot with ganking.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=bitpik][quote=Hatted][quote=bitpik][color=#ffffff]I've played around 30 jungle shen games in the preseason(dia 1 - master) and i think its tier 2-3 worthy. Today i played vs brokenshard as shen, and he said on stream to one of h2k's members that he had played vs me on shen jungle twice in a row and that he thought it looked broken. Which boosted my ego by a huge amount.[/color] [indent][h2]This is probably the best build:[/h2][/indent] [img=http://i.gyazo.com/20f7f4f014e85f422afced5602fb22fd.png] Basically [[ranger's trailblazer - devourer]] + [[boots of speed]] > [[sunfire cape]]/[[randuin's omen]](i find randuin to be overall better actually). Other items that work(but not as well) are [[wit's end]] and [[zephyr]]. I can see [[stalker's blade]] working aswell but it would make clearing jungle much harder, especially on the first full clears.[[locket of the iron solari]] is ofcourse amazing if you're team doesn't have one(you have an ap support like [[vel'koz]]). My prefered jungle path(the one you should go unless you have to change it) would be to take all the small camps, recall and then do a full clear. On the second clear you can gank after red, and you can take red/blue in any order. The reason to why i take this path is first of all to reach level 6 as soon as possible which is great vs some junglers(having shen ult is amazing versus for example [[warwick]] and [[vi]]). Secondly its to get devourer quicker(this path gives the most reliant gold). Runes: [img=http://i.gyazo.com/2f3ed62f3db5d61b1171a43c1051d57d.png] Masteries: 9/21/0[/quote] Wow. I really appreciate this all, dude. +Rep to you for going above and beyond. I assume you just use Shen's Q on the larger monster and keep healing/damaging it. I don't own Shen but I might consider getting him since you did so well. Hate to put more work on you, but what do ya max? Is it like Rammus where I max my taunt first solely for ganks? Once again, wonderful information. I'll give it a shot. :)[/quote] Always max Q first and W second in most games. Shen's W is kind-of strong so maxing it over the shorter E cooldown is worth it. Try to learn the taunt>flash combo as it helps a lot with ganking.[/quote] He's next for me to buy now; 1/3 of the way there. Hope he's real fun. I'm really looking forward to his level 6 ganks, if that's a viable way to do it.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]They are no ganks, they are counterganks, means you stop the enemy jungler from ganking and turn it around. Of course, if you speak with your teammate you can organize nice multiganks together with the midlaner and towerdives but who does that in solo queue?[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]I find it funny this pre season that the jungle has been designed so that absolutely ANY champion could actually be a jungler with the right planning and the most controversial jungler so far was [[Twisted fate]] at the IEM.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Why would you get Devourer anyway on [[shen]] if Juggernaut increases both your damage and survivability? With Juggernaut you would also be less dependent on farming, means you can get [[skirmisher's sabre]] and this way increase your damage even more. If you wanna go for damage as [[shen]], go with [[skirmisher's sabre - Juggernaut]] -> [[trinity force]], this greatly enhances his capability of damage. Of course, [[stalker's blade]] is always an option as well, like it was used from saintvicious. Another great build option is just to keep the [[stalker's blade]] and then rush [[sunfire cape]] for the jungle clear, which also has superior stats. And then, you can get [[face of the mountain]], which is in this case superior to [[stalker's blade - juggernaut]]. Fit in [[sorcerer's shoes]] there as they stack nicely with [[shen]]. Then, proceed to max out your CDR combined with CDR/lvl runes and the 5% of masteries with [[locket of the iron solari]]. Finish up your build with [[thornmail]] and [[abyssal scepter]]. This build gets the most out of [[shen]]'s damage with a high amount of magic penetration while still staying super tanky. More efficient you can't get it.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=NicknameMy]Why would you get Devourer anyway on [[shen]] if Juggernaut increases both your damage and survivability? With Juggernaut you would also be less dependent on farming, means you can get [[skirmisher's sabre]] and this way increase your damage even more. If you wanna go for damage as [[shen]], go with [[skirmisher's sabre - Juggernaut]] -> [[trinity force]], this greatly enhances his capability of damage. Of course, [[stalker's blade]] is always an option as well, like it was used from saintvicious. Another great build option is just to keep the [[stalker's blade]] and then rush [[sunfire cape]] for the jungle clear, which also has superior stats. And then, you can get [[face of the mountain]], which is in this case superior to [[stalker's blade - juggernaut]]. Fit in [[sorcerer's shoes]] there as they stack nicely with [[shen]]. Then, proceed to max out your CDR combined with CDR/lvl runes and the 5% of masteries with [[locket of the iron solari]]. Finish up your build with [[thornmail]] and [[abyssal scepter]]. This build gets the most out of [[shen]]'s damage with a high amount of magic penetration while still staying super tanky. More efficient you can't get it.[/quote] Face the Mountain of Shen jungle?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I think I already explained enough earlier why.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=NicknameMy]I think I already explained enough earlier why.[/quote] How exactly is it more useful than Jugg? I suppose the extra hp regen is good, but Tenacity is pretty useful[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Extra HP regen, extra mechanic while pushing and extra shield (most important) for 50 gold less! Or 175 gold more if you calculate in the gold you loose by selling your jungle item.[/quote]