7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=RottedApples]I think a lot of junglers use attack speed somewhere in their runes. Jungle is often about dpsing down the monsters as best as you can so you don't have to get hurt by them as much and so you can get on with your clears. And since you get on hits with the basic jungle item and the red buff i guess the attack speed works out to be a better dps boost for your jungle. If i had a proper jungle page i could probably jungle kassadin without getting executed by my buff, might still have to go back after the buff but still.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]For jungle kindred, do you prefer to use AS marks, or flat AD marks?[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=utopus]For jungle kindred, do you prefer to use AS marks, or flat AD marks?[/quote] Armor penetration. It increases the damage from her abilities as well as from her auto attacks.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]i run armor pen marks and as quints, but ad marks help your early clear more. added trundle support and moved some stuff around just got back from vacation, holidays coming up, and i've been sick so next updates might be a bit slow, not sure how much ill be playing[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kztWo0kLaTk] Definitly number 1 contender :D. I think many people underestimate the power of Phantom Dancer on tanky kiteable dudes, the movement speed means kiting gets a lot harder, fixing one of their main weaknesses, they like to split or in general the damage reduction is very strong and attack speed can be used by most of those as well. Even crit is usefull since 30% is already a huge number (and can be combined for example with Essence Reaver as the 2 damage items).[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]i definitely underestimate the power of Phantom Dancer nunu[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Mooninites]i definitely underestimate the power of Phantom Dancer nunu[/quote] Nunu has no on hit effects pls You need to combine it with Iceborn Gauntlet and Blade of the Ruined King[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Mooninites]i definitely underestimate the power of Phantom Dancer nunu[/quote] Nunu has no on hit effects pls You need to combine it with Iceborn Gauntlet and Blade of the Ruined King[/quote] You forget, he has one on hit effect... sometimes... when he uses [[Consume]] on the right mob... It's a percent of his health on hit, so it's not absolutely horrid, but it's still not that amazing. And the only other synergy he has with AS is his free spells. Which isn't very important, unless you're building straight tank, 'cause then you have to wait for everyone else to come do the deeps for you.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][[nunu]] should not build [[phantom dancer]], except if you want to constantly proc [[grasp of the undying]].^^ I am rather talking about champs like [[garen]], [[trundle]], [[udyr]], etc. For example, with [[garen]] I could reach with [[phantom dancer]] the backline against a team of [[lulu]], Blue [[ezreal]] and [[karma]], normally impossible to do. Here is the math for [[garen]] if he has [[phantom dancer]] plus [[decisive strike]] plus [[boots of swiftness - alacrity]]: ((340+85)*1.42-490)*0.5+(490−415)*0.8+415= [h2]531.75[/h2][/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Attackspeed doesn't help u proc grasp anymore. PD doesn't really help u catch backliners that much unless its a straight footrace, and if you're spending that much on chasing power, you probably won't make it to the targets you're trying to kill in the first place.[/quote]