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Let's talk about magic penetration glyphs.

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More specifically, let's talk about Veigar with Magic penetration glyphs.

Now u might wonder, but pølse... Why do you want to talk about magic penetration, AP glyphs/MR Glyphs are the shiz main! Hold your tongue there for a second. On veigar, we're gonna be Rushing a DFG.
On a sidenote, we're gonna be getting a hell-load of ap through passive-q and we're gonna get 80% of enemy AP's AP.

My current veigar setup:
Magic pen reds.
Mana regen seals(yeap all 9 of them).
5 flat mr, 4 scaling ap.
3 MS.

Start: boots+2health+1mana.

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Sooo many ******ed ppl have been writing.. Flat magic-penetration is much stronger on LOOOOOOOOOOOW magic resist targets, since it's reduces their magic resist towards 0, and the closer to 0 you come, the more rapidly the %ages are gonna fall.
I don't get DFG till 3rd item. Keep in mind, i'm wondering about my level 6 burst, i wish to utilise my level 6 power. I'm not talking about going FULL magic pen, but going for Magic pen glyphs.
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quite interesting, but it is quite true.
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Doesnt help you farm your q. Need moar ap for that. Usually enemy players cant really build alot of mres because of other threats. If they do, abyssal scepter or void staff works great. besides, in the recent patch, ap runes have gotten a buff, and mres runes have gotten a nerf. Makes ap runes more viable than straight up mpen runes. Plus, late game Rabadons scales off having moar ap, so the ap/level runes synergizes better with that item. Now, if you are laning against a gallio, absolutely get mpen, you are going to need it. Generally for my AP characters, i get mpen marks and ap everything else. End up with 9 mpen and like 32 ap after patch. I kind of tend to go balls to the wall in mid lol.
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You can rush DFG...But even then AP would scale better for the item specifically..
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Mpen runes > AP runes, in my opinion. Because it is easier to build AP with any utility that you may need. He also farms up his AP ridiculously, unlike anyone else.
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AP makes your ult hit 1.2 damage harder for every point you have.
MagPen makes it hit less and barely effects DFG's/your ult's output on a squish target like most midlane champs.

More AP makes DGF hit for more % of their HP.

To be honest, I don't understand why people run full MagPen when 8 MagPen and 1 crit chance mark works just as well.

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That's why you build more AP. Or just get AP runes and then end up building Abyssal and Void later on. I would rather be able to rush my Rabadon's after DFG and still have penetration.
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Mpen is a secondary stat. Ap is a primary stat. Stacking full mpen is suboptimal. A proper build requires combining the stats. Flat mpen also becomes less affective as people build more mr and in fact as they gain their mr per level. Ap is available on more items because it is more valuable. But build how you want.

Additionally mpen is traditionally meant to aid in cutting down tankier targets. As an ap you should not be hitting the tank you should be nuking the carry. So even more so building mpen early is sub optimal.
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I prefer Mpen because everybody still has magic resistance whether they build it or not.
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Yeah but between the masteries and the sorc. shoes and the mpen marks, all your damage without stacking mpen in glyphs, seals, and quints are doing almost truedamage anyway. Stacking mpen in your runepage outside of the marks is putting enemy champ mres into the negative numbers, which doesnt help you any. You are missing out on alot of damage.
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