Opinion on Sivir's Remake

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Jvstm] Sivir nerf. Not happy about it. Every remake has hurt the champion with the exception of Ryze. [/quote] Ryze was better before. Gangplank, Tryndamere, Sivir, Nidalee. All buffs.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]I am most pissed about her passive remake... She lost a lot of dueling power with this remake, veteran [[Sivir]] player like my self is kinda pissed about it i would think :<....[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm][quote=PotatisFarfar] I am most pissed about her passive remake... She lost a lot of dueling power with this remake, veteran [[Sivir]] player like my self is kinda pissed about it i would think :<.... [/quote] Also Gangplank rework was a nerf. Alistar nerf. Ryze nerf - Sorta. Sivir nerf. Kayle HARD nerf. Nidalee never got a real rework.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Jvstm] [quote=PotatisFarfar] I am most pissed about her passive remake... She lost a lot of dueling power with this remake, veteran [[Sivir]] player like my self is kinda pissed about it i would think :<.... [/quote] Also Gangplank rework was a nerf. Alistar nerf. Ryze nerf - Sorta. Sivir nerf. Kayle HARD nerf. Nidalee never got a real rework. [/quote] Nidalee, Alistar, Gangplank, Sivir, Kayle are all buffs. Every single champion that has gotten reworked has been MORE COMPETITIVELY VIABLE. THAT IS WHAT QUALIFIES A BUFF.[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm]You're out of your effing mind. Please enlighten me how they were all buffs. Please. Then I'll tell you why they were all nerfs.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Jvstm] Also Gangplank rework was a nerf. Alistar nerf. Ryze nerf - Sorta. Sivir nerf. Kayle HARD nerf. Nidalee never got a real rework. [/quote] I lol'd really hard. Give it some time with Sivir, it JUST happened and style of play and builds will need to be worked out. GP was decent, but then got super buffed into the over powered world of gods and legendary myths. Then he was toned down over several patches to a balanced state. Ryze was buffed, HARD. HARD. REALLY BUFFED. Then they toned him down to a balanced state. Nidalee got dick slapped by the nerf bat. Alistar nerf, legit, because he was really OP. Soo you nailed Alistar, but otherwise you're pretty far off the mark.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Jvstm] Also Gangplank rework was a nerf. Alistar nerf. Ryze nerf - Sorta. Sivir nerf. Kayle HARD nerf. Nidalee never got a real rework. [/quote] I lol'd really hard. Give it some time with Sivir, it JUST happened and style of play and builds will need to be worked out. GP was decent, but then got super buffed into the over powered world of gods and legendary myths. Then he was toned down over several patches to a balanced state. Ryze was buffed, HARD. HARD. REALLY BUFFED. Then they toned him down to a balanced state. Nidalee got dick slapped by the nerf bat. Alistar nerf, legit, because he was really OP. Soo you nailed Alistar, but otherwise you're pretty far off the mark. [/quote] Yeah, but :/ late game team fight nidalee got buffed by a great deal. You just have a fetish for dodge or something :s. (The armor/mr is better until 200 armor, and there isn't nimbleness anymore.)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]... Nidalee's most significant nerf was on her heal spell o_O I don't agree that Armor/MR is necessarily better. End game, there's two main threats, burst from casters, and sustained DPS (Right clickers like AD carries, and Ryze or Cass or something.) Dodge works better than armor against right clickers. When you've got the low amount of armor that an AP loaded Nidalee has, you're gonna get hit hard by the crits from right clickers. Sometimes it can be even as much as 500 or 600 damage per crit after armor. While a chunk of armor might reduce 200 damage per attack, the way that dodge works by completely negating an attack generally results in a more functional kind of survivability. The real reason Riot wants to remove dodge is because it's overpowered and it's breaking the tanks and the tanky DPS's. So they are removing it to bring the tanky DPS types back into line with the other champions and make them vulnerable to right clickers and sustained DPS'ers. However I do feel that Nidalee's new kit with the 30 Armor and 30 MR I think it was? Is enough to make up for the dodge, but the heal is what really buried her viability in competitive play in my eyes. I've been seeing people experiment with tanky uilds and AD heavy builds so we'll see what people can come up with I guess... Maybe Nidalee isn't dead yet. :P Also if I hear one more person bring up nimbleness not being there as if that means dodge isn't good anymore, I'm gonna scream. Dodge is good because it protects you, NOT BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU RUN FASTER, UGHHH. That was just the icing on the cake.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=PotatisFarfar] I am most pissed about her passive remake... She lost a lot of dueling power with this remake, veteran [[Sivir]] player like my self is kinda pissed about it i would think :<.... [/quote] Maybe, but I think she gained a lot of kiting ability, which I feel will keep her safer in the long run. Mobility is just good all around, and when combined with her ult, I think it's going to rock face pretty hard. They're killing dodge everywhere, so I'm mostly just happy that they gave her something really good to replace it with. It's not like she was going to keep the original passive anyway. :/[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]They always over buff initially and tone down later, and I'm sure Sivir is no exception.[/quote]