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So recently, I guess Morello decided AP Janna needs the nerf bat somehow. and had this to say;


"The problem with AP mages that have the utility of Janna is they do everything - all the disruption of a strong support with all the killing power of a mage.

In the long-term, we're exploring making the UTILITY functions of Supports scale with AP. Slow %'s, CC, etc."
~Nerf Master suck town



I don't know about you guys, but this idea sounds absolutely absurd with how supports traditionally work currently in the game.

I just wanna hear everyone's perspective on this, because I think it's ludacris to force supports to stack AP to make their CC more relevant.

I for one believe that supports abilities should directly scale on wards and buying oracles, dewarding (if you're feeling fancy) thanklessness, and assists! After all, why should the other support be just as well off as you due to Philosopher's stone and Heart of Gold, when you've fed your carry a million kills and dewarded them every time they placed one. Ahuehuehue.
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It would be nerfing the supports for making the AP Mage version better, how about they nerf the ap ratio. Support stays, Mage is gone problem solved.

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Doing that would probably AT LEAST require the removal of the 0CS carry system. Now, how would they go around doing that is another problem.

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So we're all in agreeance his idea is silly?

Also I fail to see how AP Janna needed nerfs. Sure, shield so pro, massive tornado damage, blah blah. But other actual mages still do the job better and more reliably, especially in lane.
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Alex Ich I think it was as well as spamhappy/zekent played her in tournaments with good effect and I guess morello didn't like that.
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I somewhat agree with Nerfmaster Sucktown....The true "sillyness" is people not realizing how abused supports have become in recent tournaments.

They aren't being used because they're a gimmick, they're being used because they're strong (or have a high possibility of winning their lane). Unbelievably strong in terms of damage, and then super high utility. AP Janna/Lulu/Soraka, (and more) all capable mids.

I'd suggest you actually think a bit harder before you go off yelling about something you don't even fully grasp.
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actually, Ap janna is extremely strong in certain lanes and a good pusher.

Really good in certain teams that don't need more damg.

and counters people like karthus super hard, its used in tournaments and stuff.
yolo, teemo to strong in low elo
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I somewhat agree with Nerfmaster Sucktown....The true "sillyness" is people not realizing how abused supports have become in recent tournaments.

They aren't being used because they're a gimmick, they're being used because they're strong (or have a high possibility of winning their lane). Unbelievably strong in terms of damage, and then super high utility. AP Janna/Lulu/Soraka, (and more) all capable mids.

I'd suggest you actually think a bit harder before you go off yelling about something you don't even fully grasp.


I agree, however, how abused or not they are in mid is not my problem.

My problem is his idea to make AP increase their CC duration or whatnot. That's just silly. It would force all supports or at least the ones they make this change to stack AP, which is silly as a support, cause then you can't build other helpful items your carry needs you to have, like maybe Zeke's herald or something. I always thought supports had good base damage and great CC/SUPPORT moves, and didn't need AP to make them great at what they do.

I do agree they have absurd AP ratios and they need nerfed so that they will stay in their lanes and not be a nuisance at mid lane.
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I'd suggest you actually think a bit harder before you go off yelling about something you don't even fully grasp.

This is why I pointed out they should nerf the ratios and not the utility :P

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