Ryze: Koreans New build

[quote=Pheyniex]so, no rushing [[Frozen Heart]] anymore? =([/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000][quote=NicknameMy] Heart also adds 20% CDR, but costs alot more gold. Why not get something like [[glacial shroud]]>[[spirit visage]]? Add the CDR of his [[overload]] and you got 40%. [/quote] You also have 10% cdr from masteries, so you will be capped as soon as you have 20% cdr from items and a maxed q. You should still buy fh for the armor and the mana imo. Edit: i guess you could also go randuins instead for the armor and the active, but this is theorycrafted[/quote]

[quote=Kuukai85]i want to try a new masteries set, without CD reduction..with FA and SV we already have 40%, and we just needed 30% because of [[Overload]]..so maybe can be useful to put some point in the defense tree, to get more hp and resist more in the top lane. Btw, i think that tear>glacial shroud>hextech revolver can be a good start, it isn't that expensive and gives everything you need before arriving to the full build..[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]fheart is for the passive lol why in the world would you buy components of an item with a massive anti-autoattacker effect and leave them as they are? CDR is not a single "focused stat" that you aim to buy. CDR is a key stat, but builds have to factor in damage through mana and survivability / tankiness as well. PS armor doesnt shut down ad carries. randuin's and fheart do.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Just wanted to point out, CDR does not necessarily at % dps increase. So 20% CDR is not a 20% dps increase unless you are casting spells as they come off cooldown. Every time you let a spell sit off cooldown you are losing effective dps (speaking specifically about [[ryze]])[/quote]

[quote=Kuukai85]@Embracing if i stay in lane, maybe i would like to have more sustain with some spell vamp, before finishing FA.. I always think to the worst scenary possible: behind with farm or kills, or forced to recall a lot because of a babysitting jungler..That's why i think to start with this 3 items, after building this ones i have enough presence to farm more and stay in lane without die.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]Roa gives you presence, sustain and tankiness, and i am 100% sure that it is cheaper then the stuff you suggested(i did not do the math). Imo spellvamp on ryze is best lategame: you are low->do wolves with wota(if you need more than two seconds than you are a noob or it is not lategame. Use ult.)->full health.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]According to varnagas, ryze's damage output/time increases by 100% at max CDR. (link:[url=http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Varnagas/AP_scaling_per_second]here[/url]) With that in mind, the koreans found that rushing CDR after RoA significantly helps your damage output. I'm not sure why they would choose [[spirit visage]] over [[frozen heart]]. I'm likely guessing that it's because Spirit visage costs around 30% less than FH. Actually, come to think about it, it costs just as much to get a [[spirit visage]] and a [[chain vest]] as it does to buy a [[frozen heart]]. That's probably why. The koreans will get more bang for their buck :P[/quote]

[quote=SirWhiteKid]I still like the ToTG than RoA.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Lol Sirwhitekid - we rush both items before [[spirit visage]][/quote]