"OP Champs" That you don't think will...

[quote=Zell][quote=Pølsemanden] If shaco knows where the wards are, he can dodge them. Look at what(some team) did when he was picked at a pro-tourney, they ran double heal and didn't ward until lvl 6, one does not simply counter-ward a shaco. U ward tri-bush he can come from river, ward river he can come from blue-golem. Ward blue-golem u've just spent 225 gold on wards u silly bitch..[/quote] Silly bitch for warding? Says the guy who complains about [[Shaco]]. Blue-Golem path only works if your pushing and even then if you have this ability called [b]map awareness[/b] (may of heard of it) you would spot his red smoke from [[Deceive]]. The jungler in many cases will have the enemy Blue-Golem warded anyway and paying wards to keep vision on Dragon & Blue Golem is worth it.... [quote=Pølsemanden] Swain with Double will, IS sooooo fucking strong and does not go down without both ignite and exhaust.[/quote] You need [[Ignite]] to bring him down so what? Its the same case for other champions like [[Mundo]]. [quote=Pølsemanden] Doesn't matter she's still at the top of what she does. And BELIEVE ME SHE'S A THING![/quote] So anyone who is in the top 5 junglers should be nerfed? Also, yes it does matter... [quote=Pølsemanden] Why? shee has the second highest dps of all the carries, and has a dash and stealth(she's op against unorganized teams.[/quote] She snowballs hard yes but I honestly couldn't care less how well a champion does against idiots. She has one of the shortest range of all AD carries and Oracles makes almost her only defense useless so yeah organized teams wipe the floor of her. Plus, she was already nerfed to help the brain-dead making her behind other AD carries DPS like: [[Kog'Maw]] & [[Sivir]]. [quote=Pølsemanden] He counters a ap-carry mid, he's not a first pick. He's a counterpick.[/quote] Derp, you even just admit that hes not a first pick or classed as a "safe pick" indicating that he has many counters or ways to be handled. Basically making everything you said invalid. [quote=Pølsemanden] Cassi will be nerfed, vladimir will probably as well. (why i didn't mention them) don't think galio will in anytime soon. Since he's more of a coutnerpick than a firstpick. [/quote] You can first pick [[Galio]] and there isn't just the enemy team can do against send a AD mid. Hes a safe pick. Cass has been mentioned in the patch notes so far.[/quote]

[quote=zomgpwnedanoob]Prob with evelynn is atm she is very borderline. I used to play her often but she has to many Hit and miss games. She snowballs like a baws if you get a few early kills, if you play her AP you rip through carries like a hot knife through butter. Think they need to remake her soon :/[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]"OP" and will ,sooner or later, get a nerf [[Maokai]] he does everything and he does it good. 1v2 lanes mid jungel support there is no spot you can't put him. [[Ryze]] probaly something to his late game as it is just insane you have an ap carry that is like an ad carry [[Rammus]] You got a ward? Well i still gank you. I think his speed buff will get a nerf either on speed or cd as he can pull that ganks pretty offen and still farm well. [[Shyvana]] Dmg, jungel speed and tankyness does not match. Normaly you are good at one thing and decent at the other but she is like Udyr with a better Speedbuff and a Ulti Gapcloser. [[Cassiopeia]] I think her sustain will get a littel nerf by reduing the poisen base dmg or something. Champs i can't rly place/ don't rly know if "OP" or i just can't lane against [[Karthus]] He dies so do you. But you can beat him in lane so dunno if this is op or rly strong. [[Anivia]]&[[Brand]] I am not sure about this guys as they are quite rare but if ppl would start to play them they sure would get a nerf soon but they got a high skillcap so i think they are ok [[Rumble]] Dunno why this is so rare. He can just stomp so many top lanes and ads so much to a team. I guess that his passiv and his ulti make him to hard to play for most ppl. [[Xerath]] I think he has a high skill cap then most think. It is quite hard to land your skills as they are all quite easy to dodge but if he hits it hurts. He might get a nerf if he gets popular. Just my 2 cents[/quote]

[quote=Zell][[Maokai]] is strong but has no "carry-ability" in that you can go 17/2/12 and still lose the game while many other junglers in the same position stat wise could thrive much better late-game. You can just ward out against [[Rammus]] to foresee his ganks and he already got nerfed awhile ago - Again, strong but has its weaknesses and ways to adapt around. [[Shyvana]] doesn't have the team rotating stun that [[Udyr]] has, she trades of what she does so well at by having [b]no CC whatsoever[/b] (not even a snare). As seen by recent tournaments people are finding new ways to counter [[Karthus]] by bullying him constantly in the laning phase with ganks in attempt to shut him down late-game. I don't know where I would nerf him to be honest except maybe passive duration (you have to use ultimate straight away now, you can't land spells and do it later). Agree with the rest.[/quote]

[quote=Booshido][[nidalee]] op. all those skills she has mang.. too many to list.[/quote]

[quote=LaronX][quote=Zell] [[Maokai]] is strong but has no "carry-ability" in that you can go 17/2/12 and still lose the game while many other junglers in the same position stat wise could thrive much better late-game. You can just ward out against [[Rammus]] to foresee his ganks and he already got nerfed awhile ago - Again, strong but has its weaknesses and ways to adapt around. [[Shyvana]] doesn't have the team rotating stun that [[Udyr]] has, she trades of what she does so well at by having [b]no CC whatsoever[/b] (not even a snare). As seen by recent tournaments people are finding new ways to counter [[Karthus]] by bullying him constantly in the laning phase with ganks in attempt to shut him down late-game. I don't know where I would nerf him to be honest except maybe passive duration (you have to use ultimate straight away now, you can't land spells and do it later). Agree with the rest. [/quote] Ever tried Ap mao mid? He does quite a lot of dmg. Also as jungler he reduces 20% auf incoming dmg for his team means the enemy has to do 20% more then you to kill your team in top of that it does decent dmg when he ends is and it has almost no cd late game for an ulti. Also to it is quite hard to ward against a rammus. If he knows around where you warded he can either just roll over them and still get you or just roll up then lane. It can be quite hard as you can't cross the river. Lastly Shyvana has a quite good cc on her ulti. A hole team pushback should not be underrated as it put her in dragon from on top of that which make er deal aoe dmg with all her skills and giver her bonus tankyness. This on a champ that can build very tanky while doing dmg is kind of strong.[/quote]

[quote=Zell]Lots of AP mids do "quite a lot of damage", kinda why its referred as the AP Carry position. Early on his burst damage is notable, later on his damage isn't anywhere near as significant and the damage he does doesn't scale well at all late-game so simply applying the same principle of not feeding early game and AP [[Maokai]] is no problem. The damage done by his ultimate is capped at 300 damage. Not asking you to walk all the way up to the river on your lonesome but on your way back to lane or going through your own jungle route to ward said place. That [[Shyvana]] knock-back is her ultimate afterall.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Maokai's strength in mid lane is denying farm from the enemy mid laner. He can do this because philo plus his passive makes him a beast in lane sustain. Once he gets catalyst, he only leaves if he's ganked, or he wants to. The ultimate can turn around fights too. Especially because it adds a ton of durability to your team.[/quote]

[quote=LaronX][quote=Zell] Lots of AP mids do "quite a lot of damage", kinda why its referred as the AP Carry position. Early on his burst damage is notable, later on his damage isn't anywhere near as significant and the damage he does doesn't scale well at all late-game so simply applying the same principle of not feeding early game and AP [[Maokai]] is no problem. The damage done by his ultimate is capped at 300 damage. Not asking you to walk all the way up to the river on your lonesome but on your way back to lane or going through your own jungle route to ward said place. That [[Shyvana]] knock-back is her ultimate afterall. [/quote] Mid Mao works like mid sion with less burt. You push the lane or sapling over the creeps so the enemy can't farm. You more farmed then the enemy = won lane. Yes it is [[Shyvana]] ultimate but with almost no CD(i count the time to build up the rage as cd) you can have it up every teamfight so you can use a aoe kockback every timefight or even in 2v2 it just gives you a big + over other ppl how can't spam their ulti like that.[/quote]