Support Thresh Help

[quote=TrowlingForSoup]Which ability should I max first? [[Death Sentence]] or [[Dark Passage]]? Death Sentence cd is reduced, meaning more initiations for the adc, but the increased shield on Dark Passage helps him and your jungle tower dive with more security.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]There's plenty of guides on the subject. But generally I prefer maxing [[Dark Passage]] before [[Death sentence]] (assuming you're maxing [[Flay]] first as you should be). I only max [[Death Sentence]] second if I'm like, fed as hell and we're dunking people.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]Yep, R>E>W>Q.[/quote]

[quote=STeeDofDooM]As support, you'll want to max [[flay]] first, and [[dark passage]] second. One point in [[death sentence]] at Level 2 will suffice.[/quote]

[quote=Inquisitor_Kane][quote=STeeDofDooM] As support, you'll want to max [[flay]] first, and [[dark passage]] second. One point in [[death sentence]] at Level 2 will suffice. [/quote] Exactly. But if I'm laning against extremly good enemy bot lane (like when I got platinum Jinx against me in provisional match), I sometimes put my first point in [[death sentence]] on lvl 3, as lantern would be more effective for saving my ADC or safe soul collecting, at lvl 2.[/quote]

[quote=Stomper]Most guides and people are going to tell you to max Flay first. It's the safest way to play Thresh and it works in every situation- whoever your opponents are, whether you're ahead or behind, it works great. However, there are niche situations where it's going to be far more beneficial to max Q for the increased CDR. A rank 5 Q with 40% CDR has a 4.2 second cooldown... you can easily get around 17.3% CDR from Glyphs/Masteries and 20% from your Talisman = 37% CDR midgame. All this allows you to grab easily twice, maybe three times per engagement. I feel it's a playstyle that often gets overlooked, but definitely check it out- it might suit you :). However, like people have been saying, Flay is usually the way to go. When I max Flay, I run 0/21/9 or 9/21/0. When I max Death Sentence, I run 4/5/21 (4 Offense points in CDR, 5 Defense points in Block, Recovery, and Unyielding). [quote=Inquisitor_Kane] [quote=STeeDofDooM] As support, you'll want to max [[flay]] first, and [[dark passage]] second. One point in [[death sentence]] at Level 2 will suffice. [/quote] Exactly. But if I'm laning against extremly good enemy bot lane (like when I got platinum Jinx against me in provisional match), I sometimes put my first point in [[death sentence]] on lvl 3, as lantern would be more effective for saving my ADC or safe soul collecting, at lvl 2. [/quote] Fair points. However, you really want to pick up [[death sentence]] at level 2. Thresh's level 2 power spike is so great that even if you're getting zoned, just hitting level 2 and picking up [[death sentence]] can unzone you. The 2 or 3 souls are not important enough to warrant getting a point in lantern at level 2. Getting [[dark passage]] at level 2 makes you extremely vulnerable to an all in, as you won't be able to retaliate if your opponents capitalize. And finally, if Thresh is in a position where throwing [[dark passage]] to his ADC would save them, then he's way underextended because he isn't in a position to [[flay]] enemies away from his ADC or utilize the poke damage from [[flay]]'s passive. tl;dr IMHO, if you're getting zoned at level 2 picking up a point in [[death sentence]] is only going to make it worse by delaying your power spike and making you even more vulnerable.[/quote]