Canoas
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Yeah, it could have been stolen after L3 was released. However, in that case NC soft's shares wouldn't have dropped and they wouldn't have lost millions of dollars. Take a look at WoW for example. Everyone can copy and did copy WoW, but had they stolen the ideas before WoW came out it would have never gotten close to 11Million players. There's a LOT of money being lost the moment your ideas get stolen and sold.
Races are almost exactly the same. Even the proportions are the same. And do you know what that means? that means they can use the same exact same skeletons for the characters.
And the colours/lights/graphics are possible due to the extensive changes of the changes to the engine.
A quote from bluehole:
Pay attention to the first line on how much bluehole emphasized how important those changes were for the game. Changes that were stolen.
you can say NCsoft stole it from monster hunter and I can say monster hunter stole it from real life. However, the mechanics you use to actually implement it are a lot more important than the idea itself. Real time dodge reactions? That has existed since the first punch was thrown. However, implementing it in a game in a way that it works is a lot harder.
And cold hard code is not really needed, even though I'm sure similarities or even exact replicas will be found. The reason I say this is because during interrogation they admitted to stealing everything.
The game itself isn't bad, but the fact that it was made illegally by some guys who wanted more money and decided to steal the game is a huge turn off for me. I'd rather play something original like GW2 or wait for L3 than to give money to people who don't deserve it.
Not to mention that you don't even know if it'll launch in America since the court hasn't ruled yet.
Races are almost exactly the same. Even the proportions are the same. And do you know what that means? that means they can use the same exact same skeletons for the characters.
And the colours/lights/graphics are possible due to the extensive changes of the changes to the engine.
A quote from bluehole:
Quoted:
Most of the games made with Unreal Engine 3 are dark or gray, or dark and gray, so most vivid colors of Tera seem a little bit surprising. Tools of Unreal Engine let artists achieve whole spectrum of looks and feels, that is the only the question of craftsmanship and imagination, and of course, a lot of work. Some might wonder why BHS decided to use UE3 in the first place. When you consider that the team had 10 years of experience with previous versions of UE and ease with what you can implement changes to that engine the answer seem trivial.
Pay attention to the first line on how much bluehole emphasized how important those changes were for the game. Changes that were stolen.
you can say NCsoft stole it from monster hunter and I can say monster hunter stole it from real life. However, the mechanics you use to actually implement it are a lot more important than the idea itself. Real time dodge reactions? That has existed since the first punch was thrown. However, implementing it in a game in a way that it works is a lot harder.
And cold hard code is not really needed, even though I'm sure similarities or even exact replicas will be found. The reason I say this is because during interrogation they admitted to stealing everything.
The game itself isn't bad, but the fact that it was made illegally by some guys who wanted more money and decided to steal the game is a huge turn off for me. I'd rather play something original like GW2 or wait for L3 than to give money to people who don't deserve it.
Not to mention that you don't even know if it'll launch in America since the court hasn't ruled yet.
Like I said, cant argue about the general theft.
NCsoft lost money and Bluehole progressed without "really" earning it therefore = bad. Ok.
But
Even with that light/movement/colors etcetctec.
-They remodeled many of that (for example the races use the same skeleton but look totally different)
-Stealing saved them some time on many fronts, but didn't get them that much of originality, what you seem to assume.
-Heck, maybe NCsoft DID steal from Capcom's MH more than looks? Even if not, you can clearly state that they stole their ingenious battle/movement/hit&dodge system.
And moreover, you let it sound like they stole the work of somone else.
That's not the case, 1/2 of L3's former lineup is now working on Tera.
Even while it wasn't right to steal sth that doesn't belong to them, they did the work of inventing many of it.
It's your choice to despise the studio/game for what they did, but don't let it sound like it's a bad game whatsoever.
And how the court decides depends on how much Bluehole remolded everything they stole, thats why I said, without clear evidence like long sequences of copy&paste code you cant sue them for having sth similar.
Tera's guys were working on l3 after all, so stealing aside they could have made sth similar just because of that.
NCsoft lost money and Bluehole progressed without "really" earning it therefore = bad. Ok.
But
Even with that light/movement/colors etcetctec.
-They remodeled many of that (for example the races use the same skeleton but look totally different)
-Stealing saved them some time on many fronts, but didn't get them that much of originality, what you seem to assume.
-Heck, maybe NCsoft DID steal from Capcom's MH more than looks? Even if not, you can clearly state that they stole their ingenious battle/movement/hit&dodge system.
And moreover, you let it sound like they stole the work of somone else.
That's not the case, 1/2 of L3's former lineup is now working on Tera.
Even while it wasn't right to steal sth that doesn't belong to them, they did the work of inventing many of it.
It's your choice to despise the studio/game for what they did, but don't let it sound like it's a bad game whatsoever.
And how the court decides depends on how much Bluehole remolded everything they stole, thats why I said, without clear evidence like long sequences of copy&paste code you cant sue them for having sth similar.
Tera's guys were working on l3 after all, so stealing aside they could have made sth similar just because of that.
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They don't look totally different.. they have the exact same proportions. It's not hard to change little things in appearance since it doesn't change the movements, alignments and cloth physics which are extremely difficult to create.
You can say that they stole it from MH and I can say MH stole it from real life. The idea is very simple, the problem is the how you implement it, the combat system itself, and that was stolen.
They did steal from someone else as it did not belong to them and they did all of that using NCsoft's money. And that does make it a bad game.
Definition of bad: having a wicked or evil character; morally reprehensible.
And once again I tell you they admitted to stealing all of it. It's not about whether the court can prove if they stole or not, since they ADMITTED to it, it's about whether the court allows them to publish a game with stolen material or not.
You can say that they stole it from MH and I can say MH stole it from real life. The idea is very simple, the problem is the how you implement it, the combat system itself, and that was stolen.
They did steal from someone else as it did not belong to them and they did all of that using NCsoft's money. And that does make it a bad game.
Definition of bad: having a wicked or evil character; morally reprehensible.
And once again I tell you they admitted to stealing all of it. It's not about whether the court can prove if they stole or not, since they ADMITTED to it, it's about whether the court allows them to publish a game with stolen material or not.
I meant stealing from MH in terms of implementation.
And like I said, labeling it as a "bad game" doesn't fit at all. Also: "morally reprehensible game"??? What are we talking about? porn/hentai? wtf?
So even if the ppl behind the game are "bad" that doesn't involve the game, in fact the programmers, even while being wicked, do possess the knowledge to invent a fine game.
Talking about the bad guys: I dont know what happened, but first you should check why half of L3 actually left.
And even while they did admit stealing "trade secrets" from NCsoft, that doesnt mean that the launch of Tera can be blocked therefore. Bluehole alters everything related and it will become 2 totally different matters.
Face it already: Even while NCsoft did everything to surpress Tera's release it already runs for a year in Korea and Bluehole already overturned a injunction banning from using NCsoft proprietary.
Would totally surprise me if NA/EU court judges totally different.
Best thing that could happen is NCsoft winning damages, they already did that, though.
And like I said, labeling it as a "bad game" doesn't fit at all. Also: "morally reprehensible game"??? What are we talking about? porn/hentai? wtf?
So even if the ppl behind the game are "bad" that doesn't involve the game, in fact the programmers, even while being wicked, do possess the knowledge to invent a fine game.
Talking about the bad guys: I dont know what happened, but first you should check why half of L3 actually left.
And even while they did admit stealing "trade secrets" from NCsoft, that doesnt mean that the launch of Tera can be blocked therefore. Bluehole alters everything related and it will become 2 totally different matters.
Face it already: Even while NCsoft did everything to surpress Tera's release it already runs for a year in Korea and Bluehole already overturned a injunction banning from using NCsoft proprietary.
Would totally surprise me if NA/EU court judges totally different.
Best thing that could happen is NCsoft winning damages, they already did that, though.
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They stole races/specifics...?
Colors/lights/movement ectectetcetc?
Kill all of that. Maybe they look good, maybe they dont, but srsly they could look good and be innovative in another way, too. So idc really.
I'll give you the political system, that's new and stolen, BUT it's not like they couldnt have copied it after L3's release, it would be the same and nobody could say anthing about it.
And regarding the battle-sytsem... I'll repeat it for the 3rd time already: If Ncsoft says Frogster stole it frm them, I say Ncsoft stole it from Monster Hunter.. easy as that, you can imagine how this will end.
And like I said, sth like "it is totally similar to ours" isnt going to cut it, only cold hard code.
Ofc you're right, that many features of Tera are just stolen goods, but even if you do hate Tera for that, dont talk about it like it's a bad game.