Police Violence

[quote=TROLLing1999][quote=Searz][quote=TROLLing1999]@Searz: I won't bother anymore, we're clearly on different sides and trying to persuade you in such a matter is equally hard to attempting to change your political identity. Yet, I have to say that I feel you have too much respect for authority...or else I just disrespect them too much.[/quote] Me? Too much respect for authority? HAH. I'm probably at the other end of the spectrum, among those who frequently rebel. That doesn't mean that I'm gonna condemn several people for the actions of a single person, which seems to be your modus operandi.[/quote] Ok I don't really know you at all. I said that based on the impression you made. I never judged the whole police based on one action/person. On the contrary, my first post was that when the police in general are failing to do their job AND have that type of behaviour on top of that(note here that in my country this is isn't the first incident of unctrollable and unacceptable police violence, similar things happen in every demonstration), then I have every right to criticise them. You missed my point 2 times already.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=TROLLing1999]I never judged the whole police based on one action/person.[/quote] Then stop saying "Fuck the police!", because you'd be using it wrong. That's all there is to it.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Crux of the argument: You're better off using, 'fuck THAT police dude/gal'. Your usage of the term is too imprecise if you are only talking about a few rather than the whole.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Might as well just say "fuck that guy/gal" and call it a day. Why bother specifying like it somehow matters what their profession is? An asshole is an asshole, end of story.[/quote]

[quote=Zylmoc]Mk guys, this thread will probably be closed by a mod if this continues. Everybody has their opinions and it's safe to say that that cop had failed to represent the PD, but there is little need to start getting out of hand.[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999]What I am trying to pass by is that "fuck the police" does not need to refer to people. I do not know how that sounds in English but I suppose it's not as usual to use the term without addressing to a person. "Fuck the police" is often associated with the whole organization or concept under the name "police". The reasons are pretty much mentioned above. If you ask anyone in Greece about this, he will give you more or less the same answer. Probably it sounds weird to you as the police in your country is most likely more effective and less brutal and unfair comparetively to what is happening here.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=sirell]Crux of the argument: You're better off using, 'fuck THAT police dude/gal'. Your usage of the term is too imprecise if you are only talking about a few rather than the whole.[/quote] Exactly. I was about to write that. [quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Might as well just say "fuck that guy/gal" and call it a day. Why bother specifying like it somehow matters what their profession is? An asshole is an asshole, end of story.[/quote] True, true.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Zylmoc]Mk guys, this thread will probably be closed by a mod if this continues. Everybody has their opinions and it's safe to say that that cop had failed to represent the PD, but there is little need to start getting out of hand.[/quote] wat. You call THIS getting out of hand? Oh please. This isn't even lukewarm. [quote=TROLLing1999]What I am trying to pass by is that "fuck the police" does not need to refer to people. I do not know how that sounds in English but I suppose it's not as usual to use the term without addressing to a person. "Fuck the police" is often associated with the whole organization or concept under the name "police". The reasons are pretty much mentioned above. [/quote] Yes, but that's precisely the problem. By saying 'fuck the police', you are essentially saying it to everyone who is a policeman. What we are saying, however, is that not every police member deserves it based on the actions of a select few, which is what your statement means. If you meant only a select few police members, then you have to specify them. [quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Might as well just say "fuck that guy/gal" and call it a day. Why bother specifying like it somehow matters what their profession is? An asshole is an asshole, end of story.[/quote] I, more or less, implied this in my first post, saying that the police are always caught in-between the government and the citizens and tend to get the blame when things go awry involving them. At the end of the day, they are normal human beings, same as any of us.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]^Yeah, I agree wholly. [quote=Zylmoc]Mk guys, this thread will probably be closed by a mod if this continues. Everybody has their opinions and it's safe to say that that cop had failed to represent the PD, but there is little need to start getting out of hand.[/quote] Are you new to the internet?[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999]@sirell: You mean that if I were to say "fuck the government" that would be an insult to every public servant? I don't think it is since they're just following orders. It's targeted to the head of the government and the problematic/corrupted public servants. It's pretty much the same for the police. Good individuals ware obviously excluded from these statements, or at least this is how I see it. And if in the end of the day the blame is put on the police, then they definitely and apparently have a part of the responsibility for whatever happened as well.[/quote]