Kayle as a Support

[quote=DuffTime]Sona = best. Soraka IMHO = counter Sona. der u go[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=DuffTime] Sona = best. Soraka IMHO = counter Sona. der u go [/quote] imo, Soraka can be a counter early game, but Sona gets really strong later, fucking the counter and maybe counter the counter (C-C-C-Combo Breaker)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I don't really know about that. Silences are preeeetty good :3[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD][quote=Joobieo] So you would rather pick Kayle over Soraka and Sona at the moment? [/quote] Sometimes. I usually prefer Sona to any other support though. But so far I had VERY satisfying results when in the champs select where I told myself : hmmm, looks like a bunch of retards, ill pick a "support" and carry them. See my point? [quote=DuffTime] Any time you say something like, "X and X do X job best, that's the facts" in a game as loose and wide open as League, a little red light goes off in my head :P [/quote] QFTW[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=RaNuD] [quote=Joobieo] So you would rather pick Kayle over Soraka and Sona at the moment? [/quote] Sometimes. I usually prefer Sona to any other support though. But so far I had VERY satisfying results when in the champs select where I told myself : hmmm, looks like a bunch of retards, ill pick a "support" and carry them. See my point? [/quote] Yes, I've done that some times[/quote]

[quote=Maserato]You cannot rank supports. Each one has a unique kit and each can be more or less useful depending on the ad carry and the team as a whole. For example taric stun plus caitlyn trap is better then anything sons could do for her pre 6. And sona (assuming no mana manipulator ) is less valuable then soraka with any mana hungry carry[/quote]

[quote=example1013]You can rank supports. Sona > *, Soraka counters sona in lane. Everyone else is situational at best, and still would be almost as good overall no matter what the situation was if they were sona. Caitlyn doesn't synergize well with Taric, she can get away with laning with Taric because her AA range allows her to both farm and harass. Cait/Sona double harass is still going to win lane harder than Cait/Taric because Caitlyn and Sona can pretty much zone the enemy, even under their own turret. Soraka is only a comparable support in that she has powerful heals and infinite mana for both her and her carry, allowing for a lot more aggression in lane (at least on a mana-burning carry like Graves, Ashe, Ezreal, Sivir, etc.), but she's not as universally applicable in that she pretty much just doesn't work with some champs (Cait and Vayne being examples). Sona is top-tier support because she can do her job pretty much just as well no matter who her lane partner is, and is simply dominant in some combinations, assuming the other team doesn't run a good counter-pick Soraka/* lane. On topic for this thread, Kayle isn't a good support. It's a waste to build support items on her because she can both output and facilitate insane DPS when built properly, but at the same time can support just as well because her support abilities aren't contingent on items, while her DPS abilities are. In that sense, because she's basically a role-hybrid between two disparate roles, she's hard to place on a team, which is why jungle Kayle is the only really viable location atm. If we're going to talk about effective non-standard supports, we should be talking about supporty tanks like Maokai and Blitzcrank who have great set-ups for kills, but don't have an actual support kit.[/quote]