Need Help With Counter Picks Against Viktor,...

[quote=Slappiz]As some of you already know, i'm working on a counter pick guide.. But there are 3 champions that I've actually have no clue about which champion who counters them. So please help me out! Please also state some valid points why they should be considered a counter pick. [[Viktor]] Counter picks: Counter mechanics: Counter items: Tips: [[Nautilus]] Counter picks: Counter mechanics: Counter items: Tips: [[Hecarim]] Counter picks: Counter mechanics: Counter items: Tips:[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]A good way to counter Viktor are mobile champions like after-6 [[ahri]], because you can simply waltz out of stun and that laser is hard to hit. A counter to [[hecarim]] would be a heavy slow champion like [[ashe]] or [[sejuani]] since he would lose AD due to losing movement speed.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Zoki] A good way to counter Viktor are mobile champions like after-6 [[ahri]], because you can simply waltz out of stun and that laser is hard to hit. A counter to [[hecarim]] would be a heavy slow champion like [[ashe]] or [[sejuani]] since he would lose AD due to losing movement speed. [/quote] Sure the slow effect on [[Hecarim]] is nice, but he roughly get 25 AD from his passive at max lvl and the slow effect lowers that by 30-40%, I just don't think it's that much of a counter. I would guess that [[Olaf]] is a strong counter vs [[Hecarim]], at least on lane. As for [[Sejuani]], sure she has slow but her damage is way to weak to be considered a strong counter vs any champion (she is pretty much a [[Ashe]] with melee range and no damage).. That's my thoughts..[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]Hecarim has 320 base movement speed. From my experience he can get to 680 speed without ghost. He has 360 bonus movement speed. That is 90 AD. If you use Ashe's slow against him, he will only get about 50 AD. 40 AD is a pretty nice debuff simply by picking a champion that can slow. But I've barely see Hecarim and haven't played him yet aswell, so I cant really think of situations in which he is countered.[/quote]

[quote=SEMx12]I play a lot of Nautilus, and I would like to at least say, if I'm solo top, I find it annoying when [b]Malphite[/b] is up there against me. He tends to out harass me with his rolling rock disc of slowness, and I can't exchange the harass back to him since he always has bonus shield life. He'll always be back to full health shortly after I touch him, so it's just a waste of mana to even try to exchange damage. So I tend to play very conservative against him. He seems to toss that rolling rock at me, any time I go in for a CS kill. So while I don't think he dominates me up top, he still does tend to slightly out CS me, and makes me completely bored up there. Another Champion I had initial difficulty with was [b]Jarvas[/b]. He just kept harassing me with the flag. I only laned against him once, so I don't have much else to say or elaborate on... but I think just from that one round it's at least plausible that Jarvas is a good counter to Nautilus. Pending Confirmation from others, of course. An item to counter most Nautilus builds would be something that counters a lot of health. I've almost always built Nautilus with Warmogs, and it's very often that I end up with 4500-5000 HP by end game. So you usually wouldn't focus him, but if you wanted to you might want to make a Madred's that adds damage based on the enemy's target HP.[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]nautilus and hecarim are easily countered by a counterjungler like mundo, shyvana, noc, udyr because they can simply outjungle the two of them and keep them low in lvls. if they lane, just pick a dominant laner like gangplank, teemo, riven... all of those should work well hekarim gets owned in teamfights by champions that can easily kite with blinks like ezreal, tristana... things that can just reposition after his engages (ult and ms steroid) greez sam[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=samgoeslol] nautilus and hecarim are easily countered by a counterjungler like mundo, shyvana, noc, udyr because they can simply outjungle the two of them and keep them low in lvls. if they lane, just pick a dominant laner like gangplank, teemo, riven... all of those should work well hekarim gets owned in teamfights by champions that can easily kite with blinks like ezreal, tristana... things that can just reposition after his engages (ult and ms steroid) greez sam [/quote] From personal experience I'll never go Teemo against a Nautilus again..[/quote]

[quote=RCIX][quote=Slappiz] [[Viktor]] Counter picks: Counter mechanics: Counter items: Tips: [/quote] Mobility+burst counters him. He wins nearly any trade in which he has a real chance to use his spells, so don't let him. He doesn't bully quite hard enough pre-6 to shut down Kass completely, and post-6 it's just a blinking, silencing nightmare for Viktor. I hear LeBlanc works as well. Other than that... He out-trades sustained casters (!), out-ranges poke casters, and (usually) out-farms farm casters. No other AP is much of a counter, since he either smashes their face in at close range (Ahri f.e.) or takes laser potshots at comparable or higher range (Ryze, Xerath).[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Slappiz]Stuff wuz here. [/quote] [[Viktor]] Counter picks: Ahri, Kennen, Soraka, Tanky Mages Counter mechanics: Long Range, MR stacking, Movement Speed Counter items: Abyssal Scepter, Hexdrinker/Maw. Tips: His Laser and Q do pretty good damage, but the real scary thing that viktor has is his ultimate, if you have a movement ability to get out of it, save it for the ultimate. [[Nautilus]] Counter picks: Tanky/Safe champs like Gragas or Vladimir, Udyr if taking an AD vs him. Counter mechanics: Stay out of hook range, run to a safe position when he ults you, He can't jump over walls, so if you can, you can usually outrun him. Counter items: He does mainly magic damage so get a negatron somewhere in there. Tips: Nautilus hurts, and he's pretty tanky even with no items. Nautilus is really scary. [[Hecarim]] Counter picks: Anything that can get away with building a Randuin's Omen. Counter mechanics: Frozen Heart or Randuins Omen. Counter items: Chain Vest Tips: Don't underestimate his damage, he is deceptively strong when he pops his ultimate and his E.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][[Nautilus]]: Counter Picks: [[Gangplank]], [[Olaf]], [[Janna]] (lane) [[Shyvana]], [[Dr. Mundo]] (jungle, they take all his creeps and he can't really do anything about it) Counter Mechanics: Harass him, if he pops his shield, just wait for it to go away, it has like a 20+ second cooldown. Any CC removing champion is good against him, as he's extremely reliant on it to do damage or have his teammates do damage. Moving him out of position will likely stop most of his CC, so that works pretty well too. Counter Items: [[Quicksilver Sash]] Tips: Trade often when his shield is down, he loses a lot of damage when he doesn't have it. [[Viktor]]: (Not really amazing experience, but here are thoughts) Counter Picks: [[LeBlanc]], [[Kassadin]], [[Ryze]], [[Kennen]], [[Galio]] Counter Mechanics: Long silence or stun durations. Frequent disruption. MR building. Counter Items: [[Banshee's Veil]], [[Force of Nature]], [[Maw of Malmortius]] Tips: Avoid his E. With the augment, it does ridiculous damage. [[Hecarim]]: Counter Picks: [[Ashe]], [[Janna]], [[Yorick]], [[Malphite]] = steal all your MS Counter Mechanics: Kiting and slows. Out sustain/damage negation helps as well. Counter Items: [[Randuin's Omen]] Tips: [[Exhaust]] works really well against him :P. Don't trade with him if you can help it.[/quote]