TBC vs. LW: Sims keep putting TBC ahead

[quote=Searz][quote=Nighthawk] So random question, WW's ult counts as 'proccing' TBC right?[/quote] Yea, but it deals magic damage, so it'd be pretty shitty, lol. WW shouldn't build any penetration items (other than maybe Sorc boots) anyways.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Searz] It is true for all champions. It's at roughly 70AD and up that ArP is more effective. For most AD carries that equals level 4 on PHYSICAL ATTACKS assuming 50 base AD at lvl1+3/lvl+3 from masteries+6.75 from quints. On PHYSICAL ABILITIES it's above 70 total damage per 1.0AD ratio. That usually equals rank1, I think. And ArP just gets more and more effective the more AD you get (unlike AD runes). [/quote] Silly willy. Udyr. Bang, it's not true for all champions. :D On WW topic, I agree, and I'm a big fan of a tanky DPS type WW build with good AD. One of my favorite WW builds is basically AuraWick though, played as a jungler on teams with 2 auto attackers. Pretty much Zeke's / Aegis / tanky items etc.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I don't think i've ever seen someone who supports flat AD runes as much as you duff haha.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Go spectate Duff when he plays soloq ranked with Flat ad marks seals glyphs and quints its so fun to watch[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]22 AD rune page son. Sups. Although I'm developing some pages with ArP as well because it's good too in different scenarios. ^_^[/quote]

[quote=Hutshi]Full armor pen [[Urgot]], come at me bro[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Searz] It is true for all champions. It's at roughly 70AD and up that ArP is more effective. For most AD carries that equals level 4 on PHYSICAL ATTACKS assuming 50 base AD at lvl1+3/lvl+3 from masteries+6.75 from quints. On PHYSICAL ABILITIES it's above 70 total damage per 1.0AD ratio. That usually equals rank1, I think. And ArP just gets more and more effective the more AD you get (unlike AD runes).[/quote] Silly willy. Udyr. Bang, it's not true for all champions. :D On WW topic, I agree, and I'm a big fan of a tanky DPS type WW build with good AD. One of my favorite WW builds is basically AuraWick though, played as a jungler on teams with 2 auto attackers. Pretty much Zeke's / Aegis / tanky items etc.[/quote] It is true for all champions. But that's without accounting for any special abilities they might have. Udyr's Tiger stance obviously benefits more from AD because of the AD scaling magic damage proc and his Phoenix obviously benefits more from AS because the proc scales with AS. That WW comment was not directed at me, was it?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeap, that was my point is all, is that the ARP vrs AD arguments can only be true for physical damage, and plenty of champions don't fall under the, "This rune page is better because X" category. What you're really saying, is that physical damage, regardless of the source, scales better with ArP at "X" point, because all champions deal physical damage with their auto attacks. However, there's tons of random viable alternative pages that should be considered when speaking about potential rune pages at a competitive level. I know you know that, but I just want to point that out so that readers won't get confused and think that ARP reds are always the way to go :P Often times, due to the champions I play, I prefer full AD pages simply due to the scaling of certain abilities, and I just plan to build a Last whisper eventually. In regards of WW, I was only agreeing with the idea that no Pen should be used on WW, and then rambling about how I like to build him :P[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Yea, pretty much. Still; AD marks should only be used on special champions like Udyr or for lasthitting assistance on AD carries. @WW Oh, ok.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]They still can be better around lvls 1-3 though :3 So even still, I do support them on some solo tops, because levels 1-3 are often times so pivotal there.[/quote]