League of Legends (LoL) Question: Hybrid or magic pen?

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Hybrid or magic pen?

Asked by DKitten on April 5, 2013

Greater Mark of Hybrid Penetration
.9 armor pen / .62 magic pen
Total: 8.1 armor pen / 5.58 magic pen

.87 magic pen
Total: 7.83 magic pen

So it's a difference of 2 magic pen, which is somewhat significant early game, but really falls off late. Wouldn't I rather have the 8.1 armor pen on a mage to make last-hitting easier in order to be able to snowball better? Is it something I should take for all mages, or mages that use autos as part of their combo, like and ?

Answers (3)

(316) |

There are champs that can clearly use this well, specially versus opponents with less specialized runepages. Specifically, a lot of mids do not carry armor versus other APCs, so I always take hybrid pen runes on , , , nidalee], [[kennen and .

(316) |

: Auto-attack after is part of his harass (augmented AD damage) and helps him farm.
: Has passive AS and autos are part of her burst
: Stronger damage on-passive hit
: ultimate and pre-6 harass;
: W harass;
: ;
: 650 range;
: auto is part of her burst;
: ;
: not sure, but her ultimate as well?
: W passive, autos to hurt;
;
; W passive
: autos are part of the burst

I guess these would be the ones to use them better?

(538) |

8,1 ArP + 5,58 MPen vs 7,83 MPen

2 MPen, which means you need to cast spells which cost precious mana and CD vs 8,1 ArP which means you need to auto attack which costs no mana and no CD.

Early game, auto attacks are OP, which gives you free poke power.
Late game, MPen is better since you will cast more spells than auto attack.

But, we are speaking about 2 MPen here, which will probably equal less than 1% more damage done.
And 8,1 ArP which equals probably around 5% damage done early game.

I think the choice is clear.
Though, hybrid marks are twice as expensive as normal MPen marks :P

(177) |

I've run into players who run 26/0/4 masteries, hybrid pen runes, or just ****ing start with 15 AD and they absolutely **** on the opponent with those 650 range autoattacks early game. Zilean might benefit from it too.

Katarina doesn't really want to autoattack harass even if she Es to the enemy because of the nerfs to her W and E buff durations makes it much harder to get out if you waste precious time squeezing in an AA.

(400) |

Hybrid Pens are good for , but I have difficulty thinking of any other mids that might put it to good use. maybe? Mage ?

(415) |

Auto attacks are part of 's burst. Lol. He can use Hpen if he wants to. Although his burst does drop armor innately and if it's at mid, casters generally dont even have armor... so not sure, but my logic says there isnt much user for the armor pen at that point.

(538) |

If you do not auto attack, might aswell get full MPen.

With a champ like Ahri, you should be able to AA though.
With Taric, the AA would be minimal :P

But like I said, hybrid marks cost twice as much, so if your not gonna AA, it is a real waste of your IP

(78) |

Pffft, my partner was saying to only use MPen.

Then again, his mid is , whereas mine tends to be or .

(538) |

Better use it for AP champs that can poke easily with AA though.

So not for Gragas or Kassadin :P

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(40) |

I think they cost too much compared to ArPen and MPen runes, you should focus on your main damage source in my opinion. Wouldn't even run it on mixed dmg champs... Flat penetration runes only have real effect if they are supported with the same type of penetration from items, otherwise they fall off

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