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Creator: KoDyAbAbA January 21, 2015 4:38pm
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Hello guys! My Name IS Kody, and I come in peace from the realm of dotofire.I started with League of legends in all honesty,but all of my friends played Doto so I just snuck aboard with them to journey into dotoland.

I have come here to ask you a simple question.Would you,if given the choice, would you want to play a meta-less LoL?

for the curious,my favourite champ in LoL : kha-zix :3
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You can always play teambuilder if you want to play champions in unusual roles with unusual builds, just queue for teambuilder with wanted position and role and go play.
If you have group of friends you can also do that in normal to avoid teambuilder queue.
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I'm quite satisfied with having a meta. LoL is not bound by the meta, the meta just indicates what the strongest strategies, champions etc. is. So if I want to play competative I know what I should do to make it as easy for myself as possible.

Still, if I want to play for fun there are always normal games. In normals you can still try funny champions and different builds, and if I play teambuilder with a few friends I can even experiment with lanes and what should be played where.

A while ago me and my friends wanted to try out something completely non-mete. My friend played Lux support and I played ap [[Nidalee with him bot. We wrecked the lane, proving that the meta is not law, but if we were to try it in ranked we would probably have lost.

So I am happy with how it is.

The meta also makes the game easier to balance, which is something that DotA is not very good at from my understanding.
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Well, it'd be like bots, only worse. I'd be open to play a meta-less game if the other team was doing the same. Because having a bot lane where it's Caitlyn and Lulu vs Singed and Udyr is just uncool.
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The Meta is not an arbitrary imposition made by Riot. It is the product of all the conditions that, reunited, are more likely to lead a team towards victory, which is what most players desire when playing this game. Attempts at breaking it are futile in the sense that the majority of players will still desire victory, so forcing them to try something different when they have a method that is better will not work.

Even alternative picks to roles have the boundaries of said roles as references. And if someone finds a way to break the meta, it'll spread until it becomes the new meta.

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From what I know, the meta of Dota 2 isn't based upon the heroes, it's more or less based upon the ITEMS you pick when playing a hero.
So, there's a meta-ish thing in Dota 2 as well from what I know of it.

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I read FalseGod's response like five times just because the enunciation was so beautiful.
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The funny thing is False doesn't actually follow the meta himself, he just realised it cannot be destroyed.
As for other people that don't follow it here, I can think of at least 3.

Basically MOBAFire.
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The funny thing is False doesn't actually follow the meta himself, he just realised it cannot be destroyed.
As for other people that don't follow it here, I can think of at least 3.


It's not as much about following the meta as much as it is about having something to show the general direction of what can be picked and done.
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The funny thing is False doesn't actually follow the meta himself, he just realised it cannot be destroyed.
As for other people that don't follow it here, I can think of at least 3.
The meta isn't something you follow, it's simply what works best. It's not the best way to go because everyone does it, but everyone does it because it's the best way to go. It's the best way to go because the game in its current state can be exploited to win the most in this way. This is what Falseo is trying to point out if I understood correctly.

Of course the meta is still a theory, maybe there indeed is a better way to play this game. If it's found, that will become the new meta. If a patch comes out, the meta will shift to what works best on the new game.

"Then why does Jarvan IV + Darius bot work so well?" Because people don't know how to play against it. People are usually only used to playing in current meta situations, that's the only thing they trained in. If everyone would start playing Jarvan IV + Darius bot lane, while the game doesn't get patched at all, you'll find that in a month or so we'll be back to the usual stuff because that simply works best with the game as is.

At mid lane you want champions that can exploit their central position in the map. Assassins and bursters can get to every corner of the map in an instant from the mid lane, it's a position that yields many opportunities to gank and assassinate.

There are multiple reasons to want a champion in the jungle. To give other champions farm while farming in the jungle and to maintain control over objectives and the map. If there's a champion in the jungle anyways you probably want it to be able to help other lanes out. High damage or high CC are good for this.

Leaves three champions to distribute. Leads to one duo and a solo lane. To get dragons (a more early game objective than baron) it's easier to have two people at bot lane. From those two champions it's best to leave one to getting all the farm, or you'll end up with two half-useless champions. The champion that isn't farming should be able to commit to the game without much items, so utility is the way to go.

Top lane is a position that doesn't get as much help as mid lane, and the champion is also alone. So you'll want a champion that's able to stay alive and maintain control over the top lane without much help. Tanks, bruisers and splitpushers are best suited for this.

Leaves one undefined champion, the bottom lane champion that gets all the farm. Looking at what we have it's best to give this champion the role of consistent damage output.

If you remove exp and gold bonuses from killing things, and only gradually give out exp and gold to everyone equally, the best way to win the game would probably change. If you remove jungle monsters the meta'll change. If you swap dragon and baron the meta'll change. If you nerf Gnar and buff Veigar the meta'll change.

If anything, breaking the meta would be finding a better way to play this game as it is. If you're not doing this, you're just doing something funny or stupid. Not that it isn't fun or that it's wrong to do this.
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