Armor Paths

[quote=Kazega][quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Kazega]The point I was making is that you'll have an affect on the team fight with the AoE items. DMP allows you to close a gap but that's pretty much it. Most tanks have a gap closer anyway. and Thornmail relies you you being attacked. In my experience it is better to rely on your own play rather than the enemy's stupidity, because it won't always be there.[/quote] Except it's not that stupid for an adc to attack the closest target (A tank) when there are no other safe alternatives.[/quote]which means the tank is doing his job and peeling damage.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]So why are you implying that it's not a good idea to rely on an enemy attacking you, when your job as a tank is to get them to attack you? I'm confused.[/quote]

[quote=Kazega]SCIENCE!! That's why No but what I said was relying on the opposites teams stupidity is not the best strategy because it doesn't always show up. Tanking is about limiting options the opposite side has. Two different things OTG.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]You cant get them to attack you 100%, unless you're rammus 8D As for Thornmail, every other major item gives more stats than it, with frozen heart its mana and CDR, with randuins and dead mans plate its HP.[/quote]

[quote=Ekki]The point of thornmail is building it when you're already being attacked (or against a fed vayne). If you're not, and you're a tank, your job is to force the enemy to attack you. That means only building thornmail when you're doing your job right (not only when your enemy is doing wrong). It's situational, not a bad item. On a side note, sunfire sucks. You build it when you're not getting focused, to have something to do instead of standing there doing crap CC. Late game you should ALWAYS replace it for a more useful item.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]they changed thornmail to do more damage the more bonus armor you have plus 15% damage back rather than just doing 30% of the damage the enemy does to you, meaning its only really useful later in the game as a 5th or 6th item after you buy randuins/plate/FH and considering tanks dont always get the most gold on the team, it wont be often youll get the gold to have a full build meaning you should be picking randuins/plate/FH instead of thornmail plus a top laner bruiser build is generally(not in order) boots+offensive item+armor item that isnt thornmail+MR item+HP item(steracks/glory)+2nd offensive item OR thornmail so thornmail ends up being a question of "am i able to reach the adc and kill them or am i getting kited and not able to kill them?" rather than "when am i building thornmail over X armor item?"[/quote]

[quote=Vaan99][quote=OTGBionicArm]I noticed no one's touched on Thornmail. It was changed recently. Is it not worth talking about for armor options anymore?[/quote] Thornmail was not discussed here because it's not essential armor item, it's built only when enemy team has lots of physical damage and auto attackers. Also you can't build thornmail as your first and only armour item, you build it as 2nd armor item to maximize effectiveness.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=Vaan99][quote=OTGBionicArm]I noticed no one's touched on Thornmail. It was changed recently. Is it not worth talking about for armor options anymore?[/quote] Thornmail was not discussed here because it's not essential armor item, it's built only when enemy team has lots of physical damage and auto attackers. Also you can't build thornmail as your first and only armour item, you build it as 2nd armor item to maximize effectiveness.[/quote] I think that's an interesting point. While it's not a 100% counter, I can't think of any item that really "counters" a type of champ. While BoRK and Liandray's help against fighting tanks it's not a garuntee, as they are tanks. But thornmail's use is pretty much to counter anyone with auto-attacks. And yeah, it's more situation than essential.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=Hatted][quote=Vaan99][quote=OTGBionicArm]I noticed no one's touched on Thornmail. It was changed recently. Is it not worth talking about for armor options anymore?[/quote] Thornmail was not discussed here because it's not essential armor item, it's built only when enemy team has lots of physical damage and auto attackers. Also you can't build thornmail as your first and only armour item, you build it as 2nd armor item to maximize effectiveness.[/quote] I think that's an interesting point. While it's not a 100% counter, I can't think of any item that really "counters" a type of champ. While BoRK and Liandray's help against fighting tanks it's not a garuntee, as they are tanks. But thornmail's use is pretty much to counter anyone with auto-attacks. And yeah, it's more situation than essential.[/quote]Thornmail can be nice if you have the HP to make use of it. Getting it on its own won't really do you any good. Except when you're playing the tutorial. Then it's a must-buy on [[ashe]].[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]actually you need not only the HP to make use of it but the Armor to make use of it because it scales with your bonus armor now your point still stands but you need two stats instead of the one from before to make it worth it[/quote]