NicknameMy wrote:
Both Rammus and Mundo are far stronger than Lee atm. Yeah, Rammus, because he hardcounters the adc's.
H4xDefender wrote:
Yeah lets just completely ignore the fact that AD carries can be shutdown before they get relevant by a jungler with strong early pressure. (hint, rammus has next to none).
Lets also ignore the fact that AP champions, while nerfed, are still a threat, and most have abilities that completely nullify rammus.
Lets also ignore the fact that mana pots are removed, and rammus uses an insane amount of mana to clear the jungle, let alone gank.
Lets also ignore the fact that mikaels and qss exist, and in qss's case, is extremely cheap. Last whisper is insanely cheap now too, even if it isnt as effective.
Lets also ignore the fact that you accrue level leads WAY faster in the new jungle, meaning slow farmers like rammus get left in the dust, even if you successfully pull off gank after gank. (hint, in 90% of your games against players who arent garbage, you wont)
Lets also ignore the fact that AP champions, while nerfed, are still a threat, and most have abilities that completely nullify rammus.
Lets also ignore the fact that mana pots are removed, and rammus uses an insane amount of mana to clear the jungle, let alone gank.
Lets also ignore the fact that mikaels and qss exist, and in qss's case, is extremely cheap. Last whisper is insanely cheap now too, even if it isnt as effective.
Lets also ignore the fact that you accrue level leads WAY faster in the new jungle, meaning slow farmers like rammus get left in the dust, even if you successfully pull off gank after gank. (hint, in 90% of your games against players who arent garbage, you wont)
Trust me, I'm a scientist.
Like this tier list didn't catch up that Guinsoo's Rageblade is atm on of the strongest items in the game and everyone who can use it just destroys everything.
http://www.probuilds.net/champions/xinzhao
Also, explain me why the winrate of rammus went up by 5%?
Guinsoo's Rageblade is atm on of the strongest items in the game and everyone who can use it just destroys everything.http://www.probuilds.net/champions/xinzhao
Also, explain me why the winrate of rammus went up by 5%?
He is gonna kill you!!!
NicknameMy wrote:
Like this tier list didn't catch up that Guinsoo's Rageblade is atm on of the strongest items in the game and everyone who can use it just destroys everything.
http://www.probuilds.net/champions/xinzhao
Also, explain me why the winrate of rammus went up by 5%?
Guinsoo's Rageblade is atm on of the strongest items in the game and everyone who can use it just destroys everything.http://www.probuilds.net/champions/xinzhao
Also, explain me why the winrate of rammus went up by 5%?
Theres a million reasons why a champions winrate can be at absurd levels in a PRESEASON PATCH.
1. rammus is an easy champ
2. a bunch of people who cant play adc for their life are playing it to try it and probably get destroyed by rammus
3. people are adjusting to new jungle and dont punish rammus as hard as they can
the list goes on and on. it is ****ing preseason l o l. even when lee sin/elise were the most broken champs in the game they never had high winrates because they were hard. winrate is a terrible standalone metric to judge champion strength since it favors champions that are easy and/or played very little. it can be useful when combined with other things, but its literally just a number if looked at in isolation.
rageblade is good and very cost efficient, but its not the end all be all for being a good champ. just like with 99% of things that are strong, people are tunneling on it. rageblade doesnt suddenly make you a good champion, you dont start with it.
I want to be a Blitzball wrote:
Any opinions on J4 this patch? He still he feels like that jungler that will be picked if all other top junglers are gone.
I've only played 3 games? I believe on him so far, but I was a glorified jarvan 1 trick in S3, and kept him as one of my best pocket picks in S4/S5, so I have some pretty good knowledge about him even with a limited sample size of games. My first impressions on him are that hes about the same as before. The mana pot removal didn't hurt him as much as others, although it does sting a little bit. The increase of cinderhulk and black cleaver price pretty much kills that build path for him, but I think hes ok with warrior as long as you go straight tank on him. The removal of flat pen hurts a bit, but he has good ad scalings on Q and R so he'll live. Probably goes up a littttle bit in priority due to some other junglers taking hits, but I doubt he'll be a super contested pick.
Also, I just want to say right now, that I LOVE when there is discussion in this thread, despite the fact that I may come off as stubborn and hardheaded when it comes to placement on the list. I really am not, I just dont update the list every single time I see a change I want to make. What I don't enjoy, is when someone comes into the thread, makes a completely unsubstantiated claim, (rammus is strong because he counters adcs hurr durr) and then completely ignores my counter argument when I address their claim. If I take the time to address your claim, you better take time to address mine. Questions about champions are fine.
Rammus and mundo could very well be very strong champions this patch. But if you come in claiming that, you need to give some basis to your statement rather than spouting winrates as if its some sort of number that decides a champions viability on its own. Amumu has had one of the highest consistent winrates for the longest time, but he almost never shows up in pro play, and almost always is useless when he does.
I always liked warrior J4, especially when it was a thing before cinderhulk. And, at least I'm not the only one who still wants to buy stalker's on lee. Would tracker's be good on J4 or should he also get stalker's now that trailblazer?
Thanks to The_Nameless_Bard for the sig!
I want to be a Blitzball wrote:
I always liked warrior J4, especially when it was a thing before cinderhulk. And, at least I'm not the only one who still wants to buy stalker's on lee. Would tracker's be good on J4 or should he also get stalker's now that trailblazer?
Probably trackers on J4 although I haven't tested it yet, since I pretty much always find myself in matchups where I need the stalkers/skirmishers damage as jarvan. In competitive play I'd always run trackers though, regardless of the matchup. I exclusively played tank J4 in season 3 since you basically had to, and that was the season I played him the most, so ive always been a bit biased against warrior, although I do admit it was probably the better choice in most cases.
Could a mod with spooky admin powers (psiguard) update this to 5.22?
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Lets also ignore the fact that AP champions, while nerfed, are still a threat, and most have abilities that completely nullify rammus.
Lets also ignore the fact that mana pots are removed, and rammus uses an insane amount of mana to clear the jungle, let alone gank.
Lets also ignore the fact that mikaels and qss exist, and in qss's case, is extremely cheap. Last whisper is insanely cheap now too, even if it isnt as effective.
Lets also ignore the fact that you accrue level leads WAY faster in the new jungle, meaning slow farmers like rammus get left in the dust, even if you successfully pull off gank after gank. (hint, in 90% of your games against players who arent garbage, you wont)
And lets also ignore the fact that rammus has awful dueling capabilities, meaning if you get invaded by any of the aggressive junglers that are popular right now, you are probably screwed if your lanes aren't doing well.
As for mundo, i'll test him and see, but traditionally, junglers without any hard cc don't do well in any manner of organized play, no matter how strong they are. There is a reason mundo has something close to a 0% winrate in competitive play in the past year despite a reasonable number of picks.
As for lee, ive tested both, but am leaning towards sightstone + stalkers, simply because it is what I am used to. I don't like only having 2 wards with trackers, and I miss the damage of stalkers/skirmishers. I'm still testing though. No matter what you do, do NOT build both.