Reasons to downvote.

[quote=Toshabi]If it makes you feel any better, I'm not a vet [s]yet[/s] and I look at siggy guides. :V[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]:o[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]lol also just wanted to add what Jebus said in another post: "I don't really believe in giving -1s to guides just because you disagree with a few minor aspects - only if the guide is seriously flawed or simply wrong and is already highly rated should you downvote. That's my philosophy regarding the matter."[/quote]

[quote=Jet]some champions are heavily reliant on items (see: nidalee, zilean for my examples) as well as good player skill for nidalee, I could downvote a guide just by looking at item choice. for xaioli's nidalee guide, he gets sheen first (bad), he gets morellos evil tome (bad) and his skilling order is poor (level 1 teamfight = heal, laning = heal start, helping jungler = heal start for as buff, you don't fucking start with brushwack you son of a baddie). He may have put in good amount of time on his guide and he may have explained why he chooses his items, but that doesn't mean it's a good decision. For zilean, summoners / items are everything, besides from gameplay. You could be the best support player in the game but bad summoners and bad item choice make you useless. I've already pointed out to mowen exactly why I didn't like her Zilean guide (bad summoners, poor items (archangels big part of it) items in "situational" section which is part of his core build, etc) depends on the champion really[/quote]

[quote=Jet]additionally, people don't want to downvote guides because of peoples reactions. I've seen people downvote a guide because it was bad, but they had a perfectly decent guide get ruined in retaliation because he downvoted their guide. some of us don't want to have to put up with people getting butthurt over votes, and especially early on in a guides life, downvotes effect them a lot. case in point: xaioli threatened to downvote me when I said his nidalee guide was bad on vent. I didn't even explain why i thought it was bad, but he instantly said that.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]hm :/ I see what you are saying Jet, you have a point. But, you find MULTIPLE things that you disagree with in a guide; if you look back to the first post, I am talking specifically about ppl downvoting for like one or two items. :/[/quote]

[quote=hypershatter]i understand how people dont like downvotes because of stupid comments (i get comments like "shit" every now and then). but the quality of voting really improved since the days where no comments are needed to vote (you wont even know who or what is downvoting you, for what reason). we really shouldnt be complaining anymore. like matt said, deal with it.[/quote]

[quote=B-Wong][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] lol also just wanted to add what Jebus said in another post: "I don't really believe in giving -1s to guides just because you disagree with a few minor aspects - only if the guide is seriously flawed or simply wrong and is already highly rated should you downvote. That's my philosophy regarding the matter." [/quote] I agree with this philosophy In general I don't vote or recommend unless I feel it's a fresh, new, and great way to play a character. But I also don't downvote if there's like half a thing wrong with it. I downvote if they're obviously trolling or if the build will actually be a detriment to anyone reading it. And on "no voting system". Us vets can't go through each and every single build to sort out the good from the bad. It also lessens the voice of the community itself which is... really bad. From what Matt's said: everyone has their own reasoning. The trolls, even though they are trolls, also have a voice on their opinion. Even if it is "I like pancakes -1" Well their opinion is they enjoy pancakes enough to downvote your build. Deal with it.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK][quote=B-Wong] [quote=wRAthoFVuLK] lol also just wanted to add what Jebus said in another post: "I don't really believe in giving -1s to guides just because you disagree with a few minor aspects - only if the guide is seriously flawed or simply wrong and is already highly rated should you downvote. That's my philosophy regarding the matter." [/quote] I agree with this philosophy In general I don't vote or recommend unless I feel it's a fresh, new, and great way to play a character. But I also don't downvote if there's like half a thing wrong with it. I downvote if they're obviously trolling or if the build will actually be a detriment to anyone reading it. And on "no voting system". Us vets can't go through each and every single build to sort out the good from the bad. It also lessens the voice of the community itself which is... really bad. From what Matt's said: everyone has their own reasoning. The trolls, even though they are trolls, also have a voice on their opinion. Even if it is "I like pancakes -1" Well their opinion is they enjoy pancakes enough to downvote your build. Deal with it. [/quote] LOL @ Matt's post...I never read that :S But yea I agree with that philosophy as well :) And I see what you are saying about no voting...[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli][quote=Jet] some champions are heavily reliant on items (see: nidalee, zilean for my examples) as well as good player skill for nidalee, I could downvote a guide just by looking at item choice. for xaioli's nidalee guide, he gets sheen first (bad), he gets morellos evil tome (bad) and his skilling order is poor (level 1 teamfight = heal, laning = heal start, helping jungler = heal start for as buff, you don't fucking start with brushwack you son of a baddie). He may have put in good amount of time on his guide and he may have explained why he chooses his items, but that doesn't mean it's a good decision. [/quote] Sheen First - So rushing Guinsoo's is better? Sheen will increase your early game damage by a lot, even if it's every 2-3 sec. Rushing a Guinsoo's is very expensive. Morello's - I said, Mejai's, DFG or Morello's. Morello's is still in discussion and in the air. However, it works fine. Skilling - You clearly don't know what you are talking about, and I don't even care if you're "1800" elo. Bushwhack helps your team scout bushes, and it'll tell your team to [b]engage or not.[/b] Bushwhack also trips 5 people if you're GOOD at it. It also does 80 at level 1 which isn't awful. If your jungler needs heal, he's a baddie. Or, you can use bushwhacks to use it as a [u]leash[/u]. The funny thing is, you'll do more damage, and save your jungle more dmg taken than a +as and heal.[/quote]