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Veigar, for Noobs!

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Hi I'm still learning to play Veigar (got the basics down but actually mastering him is hard) and this guide is very useful for that. Lots of good knowledge here and your threat list/explanations are extremely useful (annoying when someone makes a guide WITHOUT a threat list). Upvoted

You should update this to the current patch so more people can enjoy this, like I did.

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Hey I'm glad you liked it!

Yeah, I've been thinking about updating this for a while. Unfortunately, there is a LOT I need to change. This meta has too short of games for the Seraph's Embrace-based build to suffice. I now build Luden's Echo as a first item and just get as much AP as soon as possible to deal with the short games. The problem then is that there is SO much I have to update that it'll be a large project that'll take some time, which I don't currently have much of right now in life. I'll update it eventually haha :D

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lots of thrests to veigar

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Yep. Just another reason you never see him in high elo or pro play. The threat levels according to my guide are based almost solely on the laning phase, since after that Veigar becomes stronger AND he has more support from his team other than maybe his jungler. Also keep in mind that these threat levels are based simply on how I personally see them. If you look at other Veigar guides, you'll find varying threat levels for different champions.

This has got to be one of the best guides for Veigar I've ever read. Reading through the entire thing was fantastic. I got a few chuckles (I can relate - fellow Veigar main here) and you really went in depth with the guide. This clearly has tons of effort - Nice job!

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Hey i'm glad you liked it! I really did put a lot of effort into it means a lot to hear it was worthwhile XD

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Hi! I was looking through the matchups and I saw that with you suggested taking , but cleanse doesn't remove the suppress, so it's actually useless (if you intended to take cleanse for every other reason, then ok); and the video for the full combo is broken :^
Anyway nice guide!

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Oh and thanks for letting me know about the video. However, it seems to be working fine for me on this end. I'll see if re-uploading it to YouTube or something might help. The guide should be updated by Friday this week, so if you happen to revisit it then let me know if it's still broken. Also, is that the only video that's broken?

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Hi! So, I came back as you asked (a bit late, sorry lol); I don't know if you updated the video (I see the last update was 21/06 so I think yes?), but for me it's still broken. I've tried to open it in firefox, to see if it was chrome's fault, but nop, still broken
Just to warn you :^

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*sigh* I re-uploaded the video to YouTube and updated the embed coding for the new video... I'm honestly not sure what else I can do at this point, especially because it's working fine for me... I'll keep looking into it; it' just hard to fix when it's working for me.

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Ooh Ooh! Try it again! I think I fixed it. I went back to YouTube just now and found that, in my list of uploaded videos, this was the only one that gave me the option to "publish," so I must have somehow just not published when I uploaded it. Therefore I think it's fixed now.

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Sorry, but no...

...just kidding, now it's fixed, good job! :D

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Hm, that's strange.
I mean, earlier I saw another guide where every video was broken and actually a doubt came in my mind that it could have been an error on my part, but I can't think a reason about why this happens.
But yes, as now it is the only video broken for me (I rechecked just to be sure, proof that I'm not mad)
And sure, I'll be glad to come back and let you know :^

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YOU'RE WRONG!!

No just kidding. You're right. Next time I update the guide I'll make sure to make that more accurate. I think I was thinking QSS. Either way, thanks for letting me know friend!

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you dont have morgana in your list of matchups.

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It's interesting you bring that up. When I was considering what champions to put in my Vs. Match-ups, I thought carefully about who is a mid laner and who is a support. That said, you'll note that I have Karma listed as a match-up, because she flexes pretty commonly between support and mid. Morgana however is very rarely seen in the mid lane. Furthermore, I can't remember the last time I played against a Morgana as Veigar, making anything I have to say about her conjecture at best.

Still, that doesn't mean she doesn't belong here. If I ever put her in the guide here's what I would say: She's a huge Veigar counter. Threat level 9, easy. Morgana in the mid lane usually builds less like a support and more like an AP mage, making her QW combo deal obscene amounts of damage. Build instead of . And Jesus, her E makes your E literally worthless. Try to bait it out before landing a stun on her. Stay behind your minions to make sure she can't land her QW combo on you, stay safe, and ask for help from your jungler.

Hmm... Now that I think about how threatening she is I might add her the next time I update the guide. Thanks for bringing it to front of my attention!

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Yeah. I haven't published it yet, but I threw her in as a match-up. It should be up to date by Friday. Thanks again for bringing it more to my attention!

The guide was good. But is it really necessary to max E second rather than W? As you can see, E has better CC on enemies (If it hets the walls of E) inside and will increase as you level it up (From 1.5 to 2.5 seconds of stun) which is a best way to land your W and Q better.

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You could totally max your E second. Whenever Veigar is (rarely) picked in pro play that seems to be what they tend to do. But in solo queue I simply don't trust my teammates to carry me ALL the way to the point when W deals enough to damage to kill someone if I max my E second. Besides, the more I practice landing my W as follow up to E specifically, the more I wish my W did more damage, because as long as the stun duration is on your E max rank, you W's damage at max rank PLUS its AP scaling means you get to the point of killing someone from full health MUCH sooner. Additionally, landing your W is easiest as follow-up to your E, right? Well, your E's 1.25 second stun (rank 1) is really plenty of time for your W to hit them, especially when you consider you W is AoE; even if the stun duration runs out before W hits them then they still have to deal with the fact that they may not be able to get out of the way soon enough. In terms of why I personally max W second I could go on and on (just like talking about Veigar in general) but I'll leave it there. Shoot another comment or a PM if you wanna know more about why I do this.

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most people max their stuns last. This goes for champs across the board. People go w second to increase dmg output. You could think about going e second if you were a support but because veigar is there as a glass cannon, you def want to max q, then w, then e.

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I concur. If, however, I'm getting smashed in lane then adopting a more supportive playstyle and maxing E second and becoming a stun bot is zehr gut in my experience.

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Fair enough. Hopefully no one from here is getting smashed in lane ;)

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Are you still sure about the Abyssal Mask. Its range has been nerfed to 325, a range you'll probably never be in. The item has shifted to more of a tank item.

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Hey thanks! I didn't even know about the range nerf. The next time I update the guide (soon, now) I'll be sure to revisit that. Thanks for letting me know!

Would the mask be a late game item?

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Did not notice it was in the section labeled late game haha...

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Yes. You'll want to have completed at LEAST your Seraph's Embrace (to guarantee you're getting the most out of the Mask's mana), your Rabadon's, and your Morello/Void Staff in order to ensure you get the most out of the 10% bonus magic damage. If you get the Mask too early then all it does is delay the aforementioned items' power spikes without adding all that much to your item build until after you get the other items.

Thank you! Was a great guide, love Veigar now!

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The tiny master of Evil did find a great BIG guide !

Overall nice, useful and made by someone with similar grandiose delusions as Veigar himself, +1 ^^
Friendly text with welcome humor to ease a bit the long reading
Very clear explanations concerning abilities and best use
Essential advices for laning and farming for one of the worse early AA of the game
To the point and convincing itemization section
Like a lot the combo chapter and use example
<3 the fun facts, feels like a nice reward to have read the full guide

Keep the powerful mage ruling the mid lane !

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Hey, thanks for taking the time to browse the whole thing! I know it's quite the marathon, and I'm glad you liked it :D

Really good guide, helped me a lot!

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What a great guide! :)

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Hey thanks!! It wouldn't have happened without you!! seriously, thank you!!

This is pretty much objective.
Consider replacing the flat AP quints for something else, unless you're vying for early lane dominance.
Movespeed, Flat CDR, Scaling CDR, magic penetration, or even flat armor.
You don't get to fight much early (since you'll lose pretty much every trade and so should do your best to avoid it)and you have enough AP from your passive that the 15 AP is pretty much garuanteed to be useless very soon.

This is more of a prefrence.
The 12 points in ferocity with feast and vampirism is better sustain than the 2 health regen in resolve. You also get 2+1 per unique takedown that scales pretty well into the late game.
You'll have less health and less defense under the turret, but better sustain overall with a MASSIVE damage buff that scales multiplicatively with your ridiculous damage.
(unless for some reason you are comfortable staying in lane when you're below 25% health)

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Wait so you're saying the first paragraph is objective and the second is your preference? Gotcha.

First paragraph. I'll try it. In my experience 15 AP makes a difference, particularly in your early Q's damage, but flat CDR Quints sound glorious as well, so I'll have to check that out.

As far as my Masteries, that's just how I've been playing since Veigar's health regen buffs in patch 7.19, primarily for Perseverance. 50% health regen on top of his health regen buffs come together to create way more lane sustain than it sounds like you're thinking. But at the same time, patch 7.19 has only been out for a week or two. Before 7.19 I totally went with Ferocity, so I can see a world where I change it back. Especially if I take flat CDR Quints instead of flat AP like you suggest then I would be able to cast more spells, making Vampirism and Feast potentially more useful. Thanks for the feedback friend!

^15 AP helps your laning. It just isn't enough do anything for me since I still lose trades, which means I still avoid trades anyway.
BUT!!! It works if you actually win trades. Bullying your lane opponent out means free farm, the net Q stacks might not suffer too much AND you get your enemy to miss CS. Worse scaling, but if you can snowball with it, it works.

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Update: last night during my 2 hours of free play time I get per day, I played three games. On the first game, I tried triple CDR Quints and just decided to basically clock out during the laning phase and just used my Q every time it was up and NO other spells until like lvl 7 or 8. I don't think I used my E until like 10 minutes into the game. And HOLY **** did it work out. I only played one game of it, so sample bias, but I got more stacks early on than I ever thought possible and snowballed so hard I was literally able to two-shot the enemy Yasuo with a Q-W combo, THROUGH his passive shield.

But just like you were alluding, my early trading was worthless and I nearly got pushed out of lane a couple of times because I just couldn't put up the damage numbers he could. But thanks to the new health regen I mini-stack from masteries it wasn't too big of a problem. I felt like I was taking a medium risk for a high reward, and that particular game it worked out amazingly.

The second game I tried the Quints and Glyphs from your build: 1 CDR/lvl and 2 MPen Quints and CDR/lvl Glyphs. That game was nothing special, so I'll have to do more testing on it tonight. Early signs were that it didn't FEEL all that different from from my triple CDR Quints build. I just didn't get as lucky and wasn't able to take the game over.

My third game I play Karma.