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I love this guide, but I do feel that it would be improved if you explain when it is best to take what runes, domination, sorcery, etc. It would also help a lot if you explained two more harsh match-ups; Illaoi, and Fiora. I find that I always struggle against them, and I would love your advice.
thank you. I'm glad you like it.
The secondary runes are mostly personal preferences. I usually take Boots + TWP or 5 % CDR. You get free 300 gold and TWP helps in lane. The 5 % gives you the insane 45 % CDR in the midgame with TriForce + Shojin. You can go Demolish + Bone Plating in hard matchups like poke (e.g. Pantheon), but Inspiration is also always fine. I have to test it more, but I think Domination with Sudden Impact or Taste of Blood + Ravenous Hunter is really strong. I usually take Domination in the Jungle. Sorcery is not an option for me, because I always build Shojin for CDR. I'm also not a big fan of Nimbus Cloak, when I can just go free boots from Inspiration and 5 % CDR or healing from Domination.
Against Fiora: This is a snowball matchup. The one who loses will have a hard time during the rest of the game. She will probably outtrade you in the early game with her passive + Grasp of the Undying rune. Care when you trade early with Fiora or just farm under your tower or wait for ganks. For sure you can kill her, when she plays bad, but it's like I said a snowball matchup and it's on you if you want to take the risk in the early game or just chill and farm.
You can beat Fiora after 1-2 items. Keep in mind that she will always hold her W to parry your counter strike. You can also always sidestep her W. The good thing is that you don't need your counter strike to kill her. So just AA -> W -> AA .. her. Sometimes the Fiora players are so surprised that you don't use your counter strike and they die without using the parry. In the late game (+3 items) Jax always beats Fiora and it doesn't matter if she parrys your counter strike and stuns you. You will still win the 1vs1 in the late game.
Also try to stay near walls, so she can't proc her vidals. When you are in lane against her you can run out of the screen and go back near her. Now the location from the vidal will move. Always try to have a vidal that Fiora can't reach easy. You can also buy an early Executioner at your first back to reduce her healing.
Against Illaoi: You can go for an early Executioner to reduce the healing. The most important part is to dodge her E. If she misses her E, it's a cooldown-window for you. Now you can start looking to kill her. Keep in mind that her ultimate is very powerful in the early and mid game. In the late game you can kill her easy, but before it's kind of a skill matchup. Try to dodge her tentacles during her ultimate and in lane. It's really important to not stand still. Always attack and move to make it difficult for her to hit her tentacles. You can also think about buying Tiamat to push her under the tower. The worst scenario is when she pushes you under your tower and you are sitting under your tower, trying to farm and she constant pokes you with Q and trys to hit her E. So keep the wave outside your tower, dodge her E and a lot of times it's fine, when she uses her ultimate and you just jump away. This is great for you, because Illaoi without ultimate is pretty weak.
This guide is awesome, I see you used to (or use to) play as Jax a lot of time due the way everything is written, I'm glad you chose to share it with use!
You could add some BBCode to the guide to further upgrade its appearance, there's even a code there (in the comments) that I did which would fit perfectly in your runes section!
Anyway, keep up working on this great guide!
PS: Sion doesn't need to use his passive to take the buffs, only if he wants to take the WHOLE half of the jungle ;-P
thank you for your comment!
I tried to summarize my own experience with all the researches that I did to get better with Jax. I'm glad you like it.
I'll check out the BBCode and update the Sion part. :)
Thanks for the tip and the calm words. Have a nice day!
thanks for your feedback!
I win a lot of games with Jax (check winrate at op.gg: http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=decisionx), but currently I don't care so much about ranked. I want to enjoy the game more and sometimes it's just boring to pick again Jax and play top lane. So for example I pick Galio first time and play mid lane or just having fun with friends in ranked. :)
Cheers mate!
thanks for your comment!
Tiamat is a good item to get lane control. The only bad thing is that you can't freeze the wave anymore. You can go straight for Trinity Force or the components and be good, yes. I think it mainly depends on your playstyle and how the matchup goes. When you are behind, you should probably skip Tiamat and only invest in Trinity Force.
Have a nice day!
you made so much great guide,
really nice written i enjoy playing with this guide just i need to ask you few questions,
is there any other runes that can work on jax jungle beside those jungle runes in your guide, and are you going to update this guide soon (cause it needs little upgrad).
thank you!
You can pick almost everything as secondary rune. For example: Celerity/Waterwalking, Nimbus Cloak/Transcendence, Sudden Impact/Relentless Hunter, Demolish/Bone Plating etc. It's also possible to take Conqueror instead of PTA, when the enemy has a lot of champions that stacks resistance and you want a better lategame. It mostly depends on your playstyle.
Could you please tell me which part of the guide do you think needs an update?
Good luck in your games and I'm glad you like the guide!
~Decisionx
thanks for your positive feedback!
In this build it's really important how we use our ultimate. Without our ultimate we are kind of squishy, but with it we are extremely strong. The boots are free 300 gold and a bit more movement speed. With 5% CDR we get 45% CDR and can spam our abilities.
My problem with lifesteal is that you only benefit from it, when you attack an enemy. So hard CC or running away does nothing for you. They can also buy a healing cut (Grievous Wounds) and shut your lifesteal down. I tried Domination and it's not bad, but I still prefer boots + 5% CDR.
Currently I'm testing Resolve demolish/bone plating and will update it, when something changes.
thanks for the pleasant words!
Yes, you can use the runes for jungle. The problem with Conqueror in jungle is that you usually don't have it stacked, when you gank a lane. So most of the time PTA is better, but if you face a lot of tanks Conqueror can be a good option duo to the true damage.
Against Shaco you have to play around cooldown windows. This means, when his Deceive (Q) is on cooldown you have a huge advantage. Lookout for Jack In The Box (E) in bushes and buy control wards to spot him early. Also be patient with using Leap Strike, because it is your only engage/escape tool.
When Shaco sees you and just run away with Deceive (Q), there is not much you can do. The good thing is that he falls off the later the game goes. So he has to do early plays or he will get outscaled for sure.
Also lookout for a puff/smoke, because this signals that he used his Deceive (Q) and it's now on cooldown. You can try to counterjungle and deny him farm (especially red/blue buff), so his only winning condition - the early game - gets worst.
Good luck in your games!
~D3c1s10n
What a great guide!
Do you ever have hard times facing champions in the toplane such as Nasus or Sion?
Or has it always been simple to counter these? :)
thanks! I'm glad that you like it!
No, these two champions are not a threat.
Nasus: You have to abuse his extremely weak early game. Try to freeze the wave at your side and go for an early Executioner's Calling to reduce his Soul Eater (P) healing. So you don't need Tiamat, because with it you would push the wave automatic.
Jax can block his Siphoning Strike (Q) with Counter Strike (E). Lookout for his Wither (W), because the slow is insane and can screw you up under tower or at ganks. In general you play aggressive against him, because he needs his stacks to be strong. Don't underrate his Fury of the Sands (R), because it can turn a fight. You can try to bait his ultimate and just jump away and wait until it's finish.
Keep in mind that Nasus will try to poke you with Spirit Fire (E) and sometimes farm with it. At the end of the day it is an easy matchup, because he relies a lot on his auto-attacks and Siphoning Strike (Q), which you can both block.
Sion: He is kind of a lane bully and will try to poke you with his Roar of the Slayer (E). Try to bait his Soul Furnace (W) shield, so you don't trade against it in a possible all-in scenario. When he tries to stun you with Decimating Smash (Q), just jump at him and go behind him to dodge the stun. After that you can follow up with your combos.
Let's be real - Sion is really tanky and when he plays passive, it's hard to kill him under tower, but this is fine. You can farm, scale and just lookout for mistakes from him and punish it. Also keep in mind that he has a lot of CC, so the enemy jungler can gank you easier.
A lot of Sion players will wait in a bush and charge their Decimating Smash (Q), because you don't see the ability animation, when they are in a bush. Lookout for this cheese strat - especially at the start of the game. Sion can also steal your blue/red buff at lvl 1 with his Glory in Death (P), so defend your blue/red buff at the start of the game.
Overall you might not kill him, when he plays safe, but you can farm for free and be really strong later.
Good luck in your games, dude!
~D3c1s10n
thank you for the feedback. Congratulation to your m7 Jax!
He is definitely a champion that you can one trick and climb consistently. There are some hard matchups like Jayce, but with time you will learn how to play against them. You can snowball really hard, when you get some items and the enemys can't stop you. In Patch 8.21 Essence Reaver got cheaper, so you get even faster to your powerspikes.
Good luck and fun in your future games, mate!
~D3c1s10n
do you play against wukong before? I think wukong can destroy jax...he can E into you then W away when you set your stun.
thanks for your positive feedback!
I never had an issue with Wukong, but he is usually played as jungler and not toplaner.
You can dodge his Crushing Blow (Q) with your Counter Strike (E). In the theory he will try to bait your Counter Strike (E) and you try to bait his Warrior Trickster (W). Look for cooldown windows and keep in mind that his Crushing Blow (Q) reduces your armor. So if he hits you with it, maybe you should back for some seconds. Also Tabis are really good here.
Overall it should be an easy matchup and you outscale him for sure.
~D3c1s10n