Help with Offtanks/Tanks

[quote=Max Carter]Hi guys, I'm already level 30, but I don't really know if I'm a good player, I always play alone so the games are too differents, somegames I do well, some games I do bad, probally influence of the enemies and teammates. I guess. My history: since level 6 using tankers, first: Rammus. Then malph... etc Now i have these guys: Nasus, Cho'Gath, Rammus, Mordekaiser, Sion, Malphite, Dr. Mundo, Master Yi, Tristana Maokai and Nunu. I really liked and played: Cho, Rammus, Morde, Malph, Mundo (don't do really well), Nunu. Trist -> Facebook Yi -> at least 1 AA. My games with it are like almost no kills and a few deaths, or kills deaths and assists on the same line... (10x9x11) So, this is why I play tankyness champs (h) Already tryed and didn't work or I disliked: Garen, Gragas, Alistar, Blitzcrank (reproved because the build is complicated, needs defense, needs health, needs mana, needs CDR, needs MS, needs ****ing everything, same for Maokai), Jarvan IV, Shen (too much defensive), Singed (I just get pwned) So I want tips/help with this: Amumu, Galio, Udyr, Olaf, Renekton and Trundle. They all seems cool, have good abilities, etc... Can someone tell me about them? Like a bit of their playstyle and if they can tank or they're more to Carriers... Maybe show me the pros and cons of them Almost ever use 0x21x9 or 9x21x0 Runes: [color=#800080]Quint:[/color] HP flat, 2x MR/lvl + 1x Armor/lvl. [color=#ff0000]Marks:[/color] Armor, Crit Chance and MR pen. [color=#ffff00]Seals:[/color] HP/lvl, Mana/5 lvl, 6x MR/lvl. [color=#00ffff]Glyphs:[/color] MR/lvl, CDR/lvl. Ii'm not looking for a Mentor, but if someone wants to teach me: 1- My primary language isn't English, so I'll probally type wrong and speak with difficult 2- As I'm not from USA, I'm -3. So actually here is 8:09 PM, and probally 4~~6 PM on your country :/ And I only play during 1:30~~5:00 PM of my time... On the morning for you[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]For - "Amumu, Galio, Udyr, Olaf, Renekton and Trundle." Amumu = Tank considered the best in the game by many at this moment in time Galio = Bad tank Udyr = Tanky DPS/Offtank - Should ALWAYS jungle. Not really rated too highly at the moment but he's pretty good in the jungle. Renekton = Tanky DPS/Offtank - Should ALWAYS solo top. One of the best tanky DPS in the game. Olaf = Tanky DPS/Offtank - Should ALWAYS jungle. Fastest jungler in the game. Trundle = Tanky DPS/Offtank - Should ALWAYS jungle. By far one of the best junglers in the game, in my opinion the second best for pure jungling.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]Hm, so I'll buy Amumu, I can't ignore him... But for the junglers... Udyr, Renekton, Olaf and Trundle. Can you talk a little more about them? I played renekton a bit when it was free but failed :/. Read guide and all but failed. They 4 are can initiate (like a tank would) or it's better wait someone do this?[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]Oh, I completely forgot to mention, Amumu should always be jungling too! Olaf - Fastest jungler in the game, tanky DPS with no real CC/initiation. Needs a strong CC team. He gets damage from health, and as such, can build Atmogs (Warmog's Armour + Atma's Impaler) and do a LOT of damage. Trundle - Amazing counter jungling, decent speed, amazing sustainability, the ability to 1v1 most champions. Amazing in the jungle. Again, a tanky DPS, and can output a lot of damage even with tank items. Great initiation follow up with his Pillar, but he can't really initiate himself. Great when in a team with an Ashe. Udyr - Amazing speeds as Phoenix and even deadlier ganks as tiger, a speed boost/stun on one skill makes his ganks a force to be reckoned with. He should build tanky too, usually a Triforce/Madred's then full tank items. Lack of any ranged skills means he pretty much should always be jungling. No good initiation. Lacks lots of damage late game usually, to compensate for his stuns and speed, I suppose. Renekton - Not a jungler (though he can barely jungle, albeit very badly and there's no point to considering his laning's so damn good), but whatever. He's a VERY strong tanky DPS who can output a LOT of damage and take a lot of hits himself. The closest to a good initiation is Renekton's E followed up by a W and R. After that you have Trundle with his pillar, which can set up, or follow up, an Ashe arrow or something extremely well. The other two can't initiate. Amumu is one of the best initiating tanks in the game though. Bandage Toss and/or flash into their team, press R, everyone's stunned![/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Olaf has gone down the drain recently, and he is not the fastest jungler, I'd say Amumu is coz of his AoE attacks. and Amumu's ganks are more potent due to his stun + man HP drain.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] Olaf has gone down the drain recently, and he is not the fastest jungler, I'd say Amumu is coz of his AoE attacks. [/quote] Yes he is. Comparing the numbers of the ACTUAL times, Olaf is the fastest jungler. Amumu isn't even THAT fast, even Mundo and Karthus are faster than him. Compare actual times, don't assume. Amumu's ganks are better, but if they weren't, Olaf would be overpowered.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]I think i'll not get olaf because he lacks on CC. Amumu (stun + awesome stun), Renekton (stun), Trundle (slow + move speed buff + drain defenses, damage and health), or Udyr (stun). Going for amumu probally, as he's cheaper :D Tryed irelia but didnt work...[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]Amumu, 4 games: 1- 12/2/13 (Bots, testing jungle) 2- 2/11/3 Yeah... had problems, 1 went afk a good amount, 1 was lagging and constantly reloging, I was level 6 with 2 turrets down and feed enemies... Defeat 3- 5/7/14 - Win 4- 5/9/19 - Had a Karma PD Stacker on my team, and on early-mid my teammates fed garen... they aced and we lost :/ but we could won too, we were holding and pushing hard. Deafeat Liked him, need to practice a little more the bandage (Movement of the spell is slow than cleaver of mundo, for instance). And need a build... I'm kinda crazy with it D: Some guides tells to take AoL... I need boots, I would like sunfire for te area damage, Banshee for mana, Frozen Heart for debuff, cdr, mana, FoN for more Mr and move speed then some offensive, rabadon maybe. But I could get Rylay, AoL, GA, Abyssal, Randuim, Soul Shroud... God I'm very lost with the build :/ Can someone help me? Masteries: 1/12/17 - Smite/Harden Skin + Strength of Spirit/ Good Hands + Quickness + Flash buff + buffs buff (lol, improved time), Greed and 2/3 Meditation. Maybe I can use 9/11/10 With Archaic + Harden Skin and Spirit + Improved time for buffs and Awareness? Runes: Flat HP Quint, Mana /5 /lvl seals, magic resist /lvl glyphs, magic penetration Marks.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]I'd imagine advise a 1/19/10 OR 1/16/13 mastery set up, with the runes being - MPen marks, HP quints, armor seals, MR glyphs I'd advise an early AoL just for something to turn your cloth armour into - but if not, a Philo stone from your HP5 item will be all you need. For general jungle advise/a basic Amumu build, look here! - To be honest it's a lot easier than me saying X mastery Y mastery X item Y item. http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/jungling-101-what-you-need-to-know-77704[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]Hm, thx, but I fell move speed better than health :/ without speed boost I'll be 380 move speed, with it i reach 390 without Fon... The build, Amumu needs CDR or not? Idk if i get frozen heart because of the CDR...[/quote]