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As for AD Gragas, its viable. Scales with his body slam and its so much fun. I play AD grag and itss a blast.
EDIT: YOu have to try this more than once. Its not gonna always work the first time.
At first I thought this was a troll guide overall, but then I read through all of it. I won't be surprised if this works. I've tried some ****-around (troll) builds that I've created such as AD Nunu, AD Gragas and etc. I haven't shared them with anyone due to them being troll builds. I've had luck with AD Gragas and went 8/1/2 which was and is amazing. It was luck due to the other team being a bunch of morons.
OT: I'll try this out now and give more feedback later if I don't forget to ome back here. Cheers on the build!
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What can I say. It's a nice build, though I leave rylai's for a bit later game, rushing warmog's->revolver->haunting guise->will of the ancients, and then rylai's. But I guess it's just a personal preference for more sustained lane staying or for advantage in 1v1 (with some trynd or whatever).
I've read you mentioned wota is a nice item, but I just can't see any word about spell vamp in the guide. I just felt like, if you mention mejai's or deathfire grasp, you just should tell also about wota (or hextech, though it's more expensive and imo not worth getting it early).
anyway, a big +1 for you
Oh and btw, I wouldn't be so sure about this magic dmg and rylai's stuff. What if you took for example wit's end, sword of the divine, madred's bloodrazor and rylai's. Would all passives slow enemy? [sidetrack]I've tried attack speed with magic-passives on Morgana once, wishing it would work with her spell vamp from passive. It didn't. It works f.ex. on pantheon's spear and heartseeker though (still not worth getting hextech on panth).[/sidetrack]
Oh, and ricochet. It says that only first hit procs item-effects so...
Remember what Rylai's says. Your magic dmg slows targets. Thats any form of it. BA is magic dmg, so it will slow. Most people dont notice it since Cleaver has a low CD and it can be spammed. BA and Rylai's is great for being in the middle of taem fights and keeping people slowed so your team can bring the pain.
As for the spell vamp, it works, but you dont really notice it unless you are at low HP, and your ult is down. Its more of an early game thing. BUT I do have to say that when you get double heals from a cleaver, its nice.
You are right, that this works better for me. Ive played the DPS Mundo, and it had its moments. But I can sit and type why this works, but it will not do anything. Id have to show you. Some people cant see why this works, cuz they cant wrap their mind around it. As with most of my builds, one would have to not think about the scalings and just have fun.
I was a little rash in my response, and Im sry for that. Im very passionate about my guides, and when Im told it dont work and Im wrong, when I know Im right, it bugs me out. The Rylai's slow is what bugs me the most. I played him recently and it was slowing when I had BA running.
I would never run Warmogs on Cho. He gets enough HP via his Ult. Just not a Cho item.
i agree with everything you just said. i'm not offended at all, and actually thought you were just trying to sow more chaos in my mind. and i wasn't referring to warmog's with the cho reference, but definently the rest of the items (aka rajali's, deathfire) do have a use on him. if it's slowing for you, then i'll look at again. i do appriciate that you do reply to your gides, and i'm glad you like. i just don't think this is the way i want to go. thanks for the discussion. a question for you: does that slow and spell vamp affect all toggles now though? as i often play