Thanks for screwin up Pantheon

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]He also used to be invulnerable while it was channeled[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]dang didnt remember that. i think shen was the newest champion when i started playing.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Yeah, it was pretty solid. Now it does basically nothing IMO. Most of the time it gets broken before he even finishes. They might need to rework it.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]thats one of the reason i love ap shen. 1k damage shield out of nowhere.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Yeah, ive seen solid ap shens. They look like fun.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] How is hybrid Tryn better? AP for health? His spinning slash now does AD damage, not that I'm super pissed about that, but it makes Hybrid Tryn less appealing. Is his jungle better? Variably so. Is his laning better? Well against melee sort of, against ranged? Not a chance in Hell. The point of making Tryn less random? Well IDK he wasn't all that random with a base crit chance of 10%+Runes/Masteries/brawler glove. I like the change to less HP meaning more damage, it makes more sense. The issue is that the damage isn't all that wonderful. The lack or Crit damage hurts the most. There was a greater appeal because Tryn's late game was awesome. Now the choice of picking him for that reason is gone. I'd rather use Udyr or Xin because they are more reliable than Tryn. I can see your points Jun, but me having a lot of in game experience with him, the differences are huge and weaken him more than make him viable FOR EVERYONE. I do appreciate the discussion though :) [/quote] First of all his ap ration on bloodlust was ramped up to 1.5. Secondly his SS runs off of bonus ad at 1.0 now instead of .5 of total ad, and doesn't cost as much now. Point is Tryn mainly runs off of AS now instead of JUST CrC. He also has more CrC at full health then old Tryn, which is pretty cool for Hybrid Tryn considering you can stay at full health a lot more with your heal. Also lane tryn was always absolute shit against ranged, didn't really change much there lol.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=TheJohn] The real idea of Panths ult was to reach places and either helping allies or get kills (no bds, hes not that strong for a bd). Now hes useless. He cant get kills, he cant save people. [b][i][u]But I have an idea: why dont RIOT nerf Karthus, Shen, Nocturne? [/b][/i][/u]They know that poeple will say a lot of things, however they do the wrong thing. RIOT is so idiot. Makes me want to play HoN. [/quote] Really, what? Shen is amazingly weak at the moment. His ult's shield is terrible and blocks about two autoattacks, and he himself is essentially ignorable. Karthus and Nocturne are both balanced, and Nocturne's ult isn't even global. Oh, and Karthus' ult WAS nerfed a few patches ago, and Nocturne received several nerfs (including to his ultimate's range and damage) not long after his release.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I only used Skyfall as a scare tactic. Dropping it. Watching them scatter. Stopping it. Only to do it again a few seconds later.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=TheJohn] But I have an idea: why dont RIOT nerf Karthus, Shen, Nocturne? [/quote] Not sure if serious The only two champions in need of a nerf at the moment are Rumble and Nidalee, imo. Shen is useless, Karthus is way too squishy for his damage to make him OP, you can turn around and face him without running through the wall, and Nocturne doesn't really have much of a place in this metagame, he is forced to build really tanky, which doesn't fit into his skillset. At most, Karthus is a pubstomper who snowballs well, his ult is an annoyance if you don't feed him. Nocturne is completely countered by wards, at 6, after the nerf, from the brush at top/bot lane he doesn't even reach the entirety of the lane. Shen should need no explanation... Edit: Oh, and Pantheon isn't useless. He's bad, and worse than others in his role, but not useless.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=TheJohn] Guys, that was sarcastic. I want to mean that if RIOT wants to fuck the global skills, fuck them all. [/quote] It's only global TELEPORTS they want to remove. Shen's doesn't count since it requires the presence of a teammate. As I said before, Pantheon is receiving buffs in the next few weeks, presumably to the damage of his skills. I'd find the post but I have no friggin' clue where it is; try asking JunSupport, he seems to know everything that's going on with changes. [quote=TheJohn] I'm really worried about the future of you guys. I was thinking that you were 15+. [/quote] Wat? EDIT: Yeah I totally caught that before you edited it :P.[/quote]