Teemo: AD or AP?

[quote=BlackSnack]I usually play Attack Damage Teemo but I recently started playing Ability Power just to see the difference. I'm not really sure which is better though. AP can hit upwards of 1k in the mushrooms and his Q does alotta damage also, but besides that he doesn't seem like he can solo. As with AD though it seems like you could last in a solo even though your mushrooms don't do as much damage. So which do you guys prefer?[/quote]

[quote=gwadzila]Shroom cooldown got nerfed too badly for AP to be that great, plus you rely on people to hit your mushrooms to do any real damage with AP. Shrooms, at this point, are mostly meant for map control and to piss people off. Makes me sad =( I missed AP Teemo making a mushroom forest and getting quadra kills. AD Teemo is better, but I'd also recommend hybrid.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]AD. Well, AD/on-hit to be specific; AP, actually, to save myself from explaining, lemme quote The Rain Man: "Why is AP Teemo not viable? AP teemo cannot farm well at all, is constantly HP starved, and is way too heavily reliant on shrooms to do damage. Basically the way I see it, every shroom you use in lane for killing creeps is one less shroom that can be used for lane/map control. As for AP Teemo's scaling with his E spell, its not nearly substantial enough to justify building AP, especially since in teamfights AP teemo will be the first target, and won't get off alot of autoattacks as basically a melee mage. Mages need to be able to sit at a distance and dish out damage while staying out of harm's way, and teemo's short autoattack range does not allow him to dish out damage effectively without putting him at risk. Post-nerf Edit: AP Teemo is even less viable as shroom damage is nerfed, cooldown is insane, and AP Teemo has even less presence on a map. However, some early game AP from runes might be viable. If you find yourself going more of an AP build, just make sure you can still fight in a 1v1 setting without getting instagibbed." This is how you should build Teemo: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=658[/quote]

[quote=Keels]From the master of AP teemo himself, saying he's not viable... Teemo I always thought would be better as AP. In the same way that AD TF fails, AD teemo fails; all his abilities scale from AP and his range is too short. So I always liked AP teemo better, but now I think that teemo is UP if the only viable way to play him is as a mediocre AD that has a very short attack range. So I think Riot's done too much to him; first they nerfed the CD on his [[move quick]](almost doubled, I think, because he was backdooring too securely in higher elos) and now they nerfed the CD on his mushrooms. Teemo needs some help. He used to be great, and I think a buff like increasing his range to maybe 615(probably too much, but he needs something!) would put him in a good place.[/quote]

[quote=gwadzila]615 attack range outranges Caitlyn and turrets, I think.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=gwadzila] 615 attack range outranges Caitlyn and turrets, I think. [/quote] Turrets have between 704 and 749 range, most likely 725. Tristana (703 range) can't attack towers outside of their range, but Kog'Maw (750 range) can attack them outside their range. Caitlyn is a 650 range AA character.[/quote]

[quote=gwadzila]oh. I got everything 100 range off.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Twitch is the only one who out ranges turrets. And then only with his ult on.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]uh no Keels, Teemo isn't UP, he's just right right now.... sure you can play him AP but he is better AD/oh-hit with his kit, as TRM explains... Ok, his abilities scale with AP, but the poison is still nice damage, the Q still gives you a blind, and the shrooms still hurt and slow and ward the map, and you use the W to your advantage to catch up with people and push faster, very helpful for an AD carry. And he has good range. Like, AP, you are relying on fucking shrooms and poison passive and your Q for damage, where you can still do damage with them with onhit/AD, but damage with auto attacks too.[/quote]

[quote=Kolraider]o for Rainman strategy, splitpush. You should go for AD attack speed, wriggle's lanter, boots +5 and 4 zeals. Now, just splitpush. Take a lane, place mushrooms on the entrances and when you are going to be ganked, be invisible. When they go away, keep destroying towers.[/quote]