I wanna talk about Mundo!

[quote=NicknameMy]Hmm, maybe add a fury system to mundo? The more fury mundo has, the more hp regen he has. Or something like that^^.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Let's just remove all mana from all champs and replace it with fury. Also, Mundo to be decent mid game -IN 5V5- needs both HP and a rank 5 Burning agony / cleaver, so you'll really want a solo lane if you can get one. Mundo wants to hit lvl 13 ASAP to get the rank 5 in Burning Agony. Also, if you can finish your sunfire around that time you'll be dealing looots of damage. A Negatron cloak or a Force will just make your impact even more pronounced via survivability and move speed. Late game, Madred's is the only way to deal reliable damage, and if you don't deal damage end game (More than what burning agony, Sunfire, and your E and Q have to offer), then you'll be ignored. That's the problem with full tank Mundo. Why not pick Singed if you want a full tank? Or Cho? Those are better tanks with a lot of damage in their own right, who are functionally more survivable in the 5v5 scene. Mundo end game somehow sorta needs to use his auto attacks and deal damage to be successful. That's my experience, and I've probably played 200-400 games with the champion.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Why not increase the maximum Item spots from 6 to 12, would be really funny xD. Every champ could build every item he needs^^.[/quote]

[quote=Mrs Warboys]Wow, never expected this thread to take off! Great stuff! I've always liked the SV + Warmogs but it's so expensive and it cripples his effectiveness that one or the other seems like a better choice. The [b]Warmogs vs SV[/b] comparison was super helpful. Really want to try out Magic Pen Mundo. His Cleaver is basically Deathfire Grasp's active on a 4 second cooldown (harder to hit of course), so at low levels I can imagine it being amazingly powerful with full Magic Pen. Late game I find it hard to really use Cleaver in team fights (can barely aim the thing, I just launch it in front of me!). I guess that's a problem I feel Mundo has, Cleaver is epic early game and Masochism is epic late game (when you've got some attack speed and survivability). Can you build for both or is there a choice you have to make? Such a simple champion but so many possibilities! I really wish there was an uber-Mundo build though, I feel he doesn't really have any role in a team unless he has an incredible start and becomes a sort of Olaf character.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No. He never gets even remotely as good as Olaf ^^[/quote]

[quote=Mrs Warboys]Haha true, although his more prolonged CC reduction and survivability makes him a sort of long-term Olaf... shame fights rarely last that long! Just tried a Magic Pen build... MP Marks and Quints 9/21/0 masteries Early Haunting Guise and Sorc Shoes It seemed to do pretty well. Both games were facerolls tbh... but my cleavers were hitting HARD. Was blasting Shen for 600+ damage, which is pretty awesome. Would be nice to try in a more balanced game, so I'll keep playing with it. Real problem is that you won't get a Warmogs until pretty late (unless you completely boss your lane). I'm surprised Mundo wasn't really popular with the Tanky DPS meta. He seems designed to take down tanky enemies with CC. Taking out tanks is pretty damn easy with him.[/quote]

[quote=Mazuran][quote=RosePhoenix] Just an fyi, you guys should really try out Magpen mundo. It's surprisingly viable...There's a guide on solomid. Srsly it surprised me a LOT. Something along the lines of Doran's Shield Sorceror's boots Spirit Visage Rylai's Crystal Scepter Haunting Guise And tanky items depending on the team comp. Sell haunting guise for void staff. I didn't make this guide and i'm not advertising. It's really funny to watch cleavers do a crapload of damage ^-^ [/quote] Rylai's adds about 16 points of damage to W. It's really far from the best item for Mundo. Swap it for a Warmogs - They're about the same price wise as far as I can remember, and it'll give give more HP overall :) [quote=DuffTime] Mundo end game somehow sorta needs to use his auto attacks and deal damage to be successful. That's my experience, and I've probably played 200-400 games with the champion. [/quote] QFT. [quote=Mrs Warboys] I'm surprised Mundo wasn't really popular with the Tanky DPS meta. He seems designed to take down tanky enemies with CC. Taking out tanks is pretty damn easy with him.[/quote] Because in that respect, Irelia is a faaaaaaar better pick. As is Nasus, Jarvan, etc. Actually, most "Trinity Force off-tanks" are better at this than Mundo, for various reasons. Generally because of their skillsets, and passives. Also, those meta-game-types tend to take things more seriously than the rest of us. And what could be less serious that a giant flaming piece of purple meat coming screaming at you down a lane? :P[/quote]

[quote=Dante Rebellion]Doran's Shield Sorceror's boots Warmog Haunting Guise Force of nature Atmas Infinity edge/triforce Sounds good yo.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]What happens, if you remove the heal cost on [[Dr. Mundo]]'s spells? BTW: If you want to deal dmg with [[infected cleaver]], you need magicpen, if you want to deal damage with [[masochism]], you need armorpen. You can't get both.[/quote]

[quote=Dante Rebellion]why not? he doesnt need alot of magic pen for strong cleavers... Sorc boots, Mpen reds maybe and a Haunting guise is more than enough MPen. The rest can be tanky, atmas will boost your physical damage and well.. an I.E or triforce can just boost ur damage shit loads.[/quote]