Secretly OP Champs??

[quote=Trojan995]Karma's difficulties don't extend to just her bond. Two main things are wrong with her: 1. Her bond sucks. It sucks at level 1, it sucks at level 6. It sucks. 2. Her level 6 values on her shield and heal are average - certainly not enough to make up for the fact that she has the same values on her main skill at level 11 that most champions have at level 9. It really hurts her early game. Other than that, her heal/shield are both very potent, and mantra charges aren't usually a problem. Sleeper OP? Probably not. Sleeper strong? Possibly, but still needs a buff.[/quote]

[quote=xLiqur]Yup on #1, i think if they buff bond, her level 6 values will be easier to overlook since she still is a very good pick.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Doesn't she have the highest value shield in game? o_O[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Hybrid [[nunu]] Huehuehue[/quote]

[quote=animorte]Every champion is overpowered just as every champion is underpowered. Some of them are just played better than others more often. It all depends on who is using them, what situations they find themselves in, and how they handle it. Being fed or underleveled is also a determining factor in the power of a champion. The set-up of masteries, runes, and items also have an affect on the outcome of a champion's power. Usually the easiest way to point out somebody in low ELO is by them complaining about any champions being OP. I say that because anybody that has played the game long enough and gained enough experience knows that every champion has a vice. Each can be countered in some way. Just pay attention, that simple.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ Not entirely true. Some champs are just plain better than others. Most do have a counter of some sort, but many of those counters are only effective in lane phase.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=animorte] Every champion is overpowered just as every champion is underpowered. Some of them are just played better than others more often. It all depends on who is using them, what situations they find themselves in, and how they handle it. Being fed or underleveled is also a determining factor in the power of a champion. The set-up of masteries, runes, and items also have an affect on the outcome of a champion's power. Usually the easiest way to point out somebody in low ELO is by them complaining about any champions being OP. I say that because anybody that has played the game long enough and gained enough experience knows that every champion has a vice. Each can be countered in some way. Just pay attention, that simple. [/quote] Not really....Everyone complains. You ever watch/listen to streams? You know the pros sitting at 2200 ELO+? Yeah, they definitely bitch and moan. And what Duff said is true. Some champs ARE just better.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I use IEM NY as an example. Voyboy's Renekton destroyed HSGG's Cho in lane. Yet laning phase ended, and because Cho is a better champion than Renekton he farmed carefully, came back and rolled faces later anyway. Example; Even though Ren beat Cho in lane phase, Cho is so much better it didn't matter.[/quote]

[quote=eternalShuckle]shhh.... karma is terrible. we don't talk about karma here. I don't think she needs a buff though. she is fine being bad. (read: karma is awesome. I hope she doesn't get a buff though because then people will notice how strong she is, QQ, and then she will get re-nerfed and be worse than before) oh, and twitch sucks too. ;)[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]SSoKP? I think so.[/quote]