Best Jungler

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Nighthawk] Want a better ganker? Hit up Amumu [/quote] Uh, what? His ganks are "good", but by far not some of the best. Nocturne/Riven would like a word with you. Why is Fiddlesticks so high when he has extremely bad jungle control and malleability?[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Because fiddlesticks has amazing dragon control, not sure what you mean by bad jungle control, it's pretty good. His threat level is generally also much higher then most other junglers just due to his ult. It only takes 1 Fid ult to change the game. I used Amumu as an example just because Nocturne & Riven are nothing like Nunu, while Amu is similar. And Amu's ganks are solid anyways, they don't rely as much on the enemy, say like Olaf.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Nighthawk] Because fiddlesticks has amazing dragon control, not sure what you mean by bad jungle control, it's pretty good. His threat level is generally also much higher then most other junglers just due to his ult. It only takes 1 Fid ult to change the game. I used Amumu as an example just because Nocturne & Riven are nothing like Nunu, while Amu is similar. And Amu's ganks are solid anyways, they don't rely as much on the enemy, say like Olaf. [/quote] Fiddles has good dragon control but that's about it. If he gets smacked around during his jungle, he can't do anything because of his incredible high mana costs, if he does he can't jungle - and a fiddlesticks doesn't want to be caught with his pants down in the enemy's jungle. Ultimates don't really count for jungle control, except for maybe Cho. Amumu's ganks are NOTHING like Nunu's. Nunu's level 2 ganks were cripplingly good, they almost always got a kill. Riven's level 2 ganks are the same (if not better), and Nocturne's aren't too far behind, he has a fear and his Q. Amumu has bandage toss and that's it. He needs to hit it. Amumu's ganks are far from solid, he needs to hit Bandage Toss AND needs his ultimate up...[/quote]

[quote=Searz]With his ult up he has a 3sec stunlock (ult->attack a little->use bandage) though. That is REALLY powerful.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Going off of a red's post, Maokai has some of the best ganks out there. Huge level 3-6 burst damage. I also speak from personal experience. :3[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232][quote=DuffTime] Jatt's also got a good Trundle, and Trundle's a very under rated counter pick champ :) [/quote] Not really. He was picked in almost every match for Group stage at IEM New York. Jatt started the Trundle trend with "Trundle has a seven second slow." And suddenly people realized that Trundle had a 7 second slow. Utility is king in the current metagame. And trundle delivers. The only reason he isn't commonly played is because he is a poor farmer and he is overall difficult to play.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=Nighthawk] Because fiddlesticks has amazing dragon control, not sure what you mean by bad jungle control, it's pretty good. His threat level is generally also much higher then most other junglers just due to his ult. It only takes 1 Fid ult to change the game. I used Amumu as an example just because Nocturne & Riven are nothing like Nunu, while Amu is similar. And Amu's ganks are solid anyways, they don't rely as much on the enemy, say like Olaf. [/quote] [quote]Fiddles has good dragon control but that's about it. If he gets smacked around during his jungle, he can't do anything because of his incredible high mana costs, if he does he can't jungle - and a fiddlesticks doesn't want to be caught with his pants down in the enemy's jungle. Ultimates don't really count for jungle control, except for maybe Cho.[/quote] If he gets smacked around in your jungle, it's your fault. You have CV and a team for a reason. They take your blue, you take theirs, they try to invade, you kill them or go to theirs. Etc. In order to use Fid, you need to have a brain, and so does your team. He also has a godlike fear and silence, which can shit on other junglers before they do shit to him. Oh and did we mention drain? [quote]Amumu's ganks are NOTHING like Nunu's. Nunu's level 2 ganks were cripplingly good, they almost always got a kill. Riven's level 2 ganks are the same (if not better), and Nocturne's aren't too far behind, he has a fear and his Q. Amumu has bandage toss and that's it. He needs to hit it. Amumu's ganks are far from solid, he needs to hit Bandage Toss AND needs his ultimate up... [/quote] derrrrrr. You aren't understanding what i'm saying. I am not saying Amumu's ganks are better then Riven or Nocturne's ganks. I am only saying they are better then Nunu's ganks. And they are, no doubt about that.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Restrictnine] Not really. He was picked in almost every match for Group stage at IEM New York. Jatt started the Trundle trend with "Trundle has a seven second slow." And suddenly people realized that Trundle had a 7 second slow. Utility is king in the current metagame. And trundle delivers. The only reason he isn't commonly played is because he is a poor farmer and he is overall difficult to play. [/quote] Well now that Jatt's using him people are waking up, but he's historically been under rated and the majority of the player base hasn't caught on yet. You me and Jatt might know he's strong but not everyone else does :P[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]" 'Trundle has a 7 second slow' " WAT DA FAAAAAAAAAK OP OP OP OP OP OP But seriously. I cannot stress enough how strong Utility is in the current metagame. Why was orianna so fuckin op? She had a slow/haste on demand, as well as a HUGE ASS shield that gave MR and armor. Like wtf op much? And her damage was in the top 5 easily for ap casters. but the utility is what really made the champion.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I've always told people that Trundle's pillar is almost as good as Amumu ult (Situationally worse or better) :P And Trundle is a tank breaker- Another incredibly underestimated little gem. Utility is strong. It just makes my secret OP that much stronger though when people build for utility :D[/quote]