Well, actually, using zhonya's on Cassiopeia prolongs the time until you die, unlike people like Heimer, Fiddlesticks, Morgana, she has no way to damage when in zhonya's. Also, Heimer is incredibly good at defending turrets, and capture points on dominion. He can also push easily with his ammo system on turrets. Also, grenade is much harder than most skillshots, because it's an extremely slow projectile.
On the topic of blanket statements, you used one for Twitch. 'Cho'Gath can actually do stuff when played well... I mean you could essentially play him without using vorpal spikes right now.'
*cough cough* DOTS *cough cough* Zhonya's+ enemies standing in Misama *cough cough* <---Mains Cass and knows how to use her *cough cough* so you're terribly mistaken *cough cough* about prolonging time till death *cough cough* it is powerful in the right hands (mine) *cough cough*
Let me be more specific, Twitch is still useful. His ability to assassinate enemy champions mid game is still amazing and his lategame use of Spray and Pray can be very detremental to the enemy team but Twitch (like Heimer) is easily countered by smart play.
I know the current faults Heimer has. Which is why I said "Heimer is currently outclassed by a majority of champions". Heimer's power is almost all early/mid game. His late game falls off (as I already stated)
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Just played my first game as Ezreal and got thrown in mid... facing level 30 summoners (I level 20 myself)also carrying a ashe (summoner level 6-went about 0/16/4 or something similar to that) and OWNED the Heimerdinger...so mabye I take back what I said about him being a good champ but I've still seem some beast Heimerdungers.
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I assume you're talking about Heimer here, so I'll talk about Heimer too.
Heimer is pretty skill-based in 2 ways, as in his actual skills, and their playstyle. A good Heimer maxes rockets first, harasses the enemy. And also, a skillful Heimer lands his grenades, can activate zhonya's and ult to create a deadly, invincible hero.
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General blanket statement is general.
Cassieopiea is pretty skill-based in 2 ways, as in her actual skills, and their playstyle. A good Cass maxes twin fangs first, harasses the enemy. And also, a skillful Cass lands her skill shots, can activate zhonya's and ult to create a deadly, invincible hero.
Heimer is currently outclassed by a majority of champs. Not saying he can't be useful, but overall I'd rather not see a Heimer on my team because a majority of the time they suck and his late game skillset falls off.
Dominion he's just stupid, AFKs at his point and takes no skill to hold it. But I don't care about Dominion as much as I care about SR.
BoT: Eve/Nunu fit the long term definition of useless. Twitch can actually do stuff when played well....I mean you could essentially play him without using stealth right now.
AP Shaco is rather useless too imo. Bush camping won't help when the enemy team is knocking on the nexus.
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Well, actually, using zhonya's on Cassiopeia prolongs the time until you die, unlike people like Heimer, Fiddlesticks, Morgana, she has no way to damage when in zhonya's. Also, Heimer is incredibly good at defending turrets, and capture points on dominion. He can also push easily with his ammo system on turrets. Also, grenade is much harder than most skillshots, because it's an extremely slow projectile.
On the topic of blanket statements, you used one for Twitch. 'Cho'Gath can actually do stuff when played well... I mean you could essentially play him without using vorpal spikes right now.'
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*cough cough* DOTS *cough cough* Zhonya's+ enemies standing in Misama *cough cough* <---Mains Cass and knows how to use her *cough cough* so you're terribly mistaken *cough cough* about prolonging time till death *cough cough* it is powerful in the right hands (mine) *cough cough*
Let me be more specific, Twitch is still useful. His ability to assassinate enemy champions mid game is still amazing and his lategame use of [[Spray and Pray]] can be very detremental to the enemy team but Twitch (like Heimer) is easily countered by smart play.
I know the current faults Heimer has. Which is why I said "Heimer is currently outclassed by a majority of champions". Heimer's power is almost all early/mid game. His late game falls off (as I already stated)[/quote]
Why do you think shen is the worst?
And by what standards are you basing this on?
If its based on playing agenst, I'd pick Xin Zhoe
If its based whos OP, I'd pick Graves
Please tell us what you are basing this on.
[quote=McGrewer]Why do you think shen is the worst?
And by what standards are you basing this on?
If its based on playing agenst, I'd pick Xin Zhoe
If its based whos OP, I'd pick Graves
Please tell us what you are basing this on.[/quote]
Honestly, there is no most underpowered. There are a few niche picks. A few pubstompers but, no bad champions.
[quote=Lugignaf]@McGrewer: Most underpowered.
Honestly, there is no most underpowered. There are a few niche picks. A few pubstompers but, no bad champions.[/quote]
Sorry the shock from the post I read erased 99% of my vocabulary and that was the only word I could remember.
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Elegantly put sir.
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Sorry the shock from the post I read erased 99% of my vocabulary and that was the only word I could remember.[/quote]
Well, actually, using zhonya's on Cassiopeia prolongs the time until you die, unlike people like Heimer, Fiddlesticks, Morgana, she has no way to damage when in zhonya's. Also, Heimer is incredibly good at defending turrets, and capture points on dominion. He can also push easily with his ammo system on turrets. Also, grenade is much harder than most skillshots, because it's an extremely slow projectile.
On the topic of blanket statements, you used one for Twitch. 'Cho'Gath can actually do stuff when played well... I mean you could essentially play him without using vorpal spikes right now.'
*cough cough* DOTS *cough cough* Zhonya's+ enemies standing in Misama *cough cough* <---Mains Cass and knows how to use her *cough cough* so you're terribly mistaken *cough cough* about prolonging time till death *cough cough* it is powerful in the right hands (mine) *cough cough*
Let me be more specific, Twitch is still useful. His ability to assassinate enemy champions mid game is still amazing and his lategame use of
I know the current faults Heimer has. Which is why I said "Heimer is currently outclassed by a majority of champions". Heimer's power is almost all early/mid game. His late game falls off (as I already stated)