Taggrin's Solo Queue Tier List

[quote=DuffTime]Well. I'm just waiting for the day we start to see more physical casters mid (Like Talon) and Sustained MGC dmg bot lane getting baby sat (Like Ryze/soraka or Karthus/Soraka) but apparently people don't think for themselves! :P That wouldn't exactly be a meta game change but rather a shift in role placements within the meta. Part of the logic is 2-3 Doran's blades and a Vamp scepter for a BT provides more sustain in lane than your average solo mid champion is used to having. Theoretically providing more potential for more lanes in your favor.[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]The Ap carry bot will not work as well as AD carry bot. AD carrys just do more dmg in late game. But phys caster mid is a nice idea. But most Talon players think "TALON is boss" and dive a 1v5 XD Also u would need more AD champs with Range Skills but melee aa.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=LaronX] The Ap carry bot will not work as well as AD carry bot. AD carrys just do more dmg in late game. But phys caster mid is a nice idea. But most Talon players think "TALON is boss" and dive a 1v5 XD Also u would need more AD champs with Range Skills but melee aa. [/quote] Ap Carry bot is done so you can dominate their AD bottom since AP's > AD's early game. It's a different stratedgy. Lane countering is extremely effective, and if you know how the enemy team will pick, it's quite easy to win with different lane comps.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]Im personally waiting for ad range to go top. if teemo shuts down most tops, why wouldnt kogmaw? or tristana? think about it.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=LaronX] The Ap carry bot will not work as well as AD carry bot. AD carrys just do more dmg in late game. But phys caster mid is a nice idea. But most Talon players think "TALON is boss" and dive a 1v5 XD Also u would need more AD champs with Range Skills but melee aa. [/quote] ...? You points are lost on me. You think AD carries do more damage than a well farmed Ryze end game? You're wrong. Ryze is tankier than an AD carry end game, and has very high sustained damage output. He doesn't have to wait for 100% of enemy CD's to be blown to deal his damage like other AD carry types do. He can make some trades and vamp his HP back, meaning over a long fight he can potentially deal as much damage or more. Talon + GA + 4 BT's = living hand grenade :D Mega burst!! [quote=Restrictnine] Im personally waiting for ad range to go top. if teemo shuts down most tops, why wouldnt kogmaw? or tristana? think about it. [/quote] They can't kite as well, bruiser catches them, they die. They are more vulnerable to ganks. Eventually bruisers can dive them because they are squish. I could show you why the bruiser's took hold of the top lane to begin with in custom games if you'd like ^_^ Vrs ranged is a pain for about... 5 minutes? Then the stats and skills of bruisers start to scale harder and you'll lose the lane.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Restrictnine] Im personally waiting for ad range to go top. if teemo shuts down most tops, why wouldnt kogmaw? or tristana? think about it. [/quote] Teemo shuts down people with auto attack based damage, or NO ranged attacks. Udyr/Singed/MAYBE Trynd are the only people he should beat. And everyone else, like Garen and such, he should only beat because they have no ranged spells, he is faster than them, and he has a click-blind skill with a decent mana cost.[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]To the Ap bot I was assuming both teams will run it like the most to ad bot atm So u would have either the Team that picks Ryze first win or an Carry that has to wait for his Skills to come off CD. It can work as a counter to the AD bot meta but if both teams run it and on got like Cait mid, they will have more dmg end game assuming that not all Caster go Tanky like Ryze and most don't have a build in Spellvamp. It also would kind of hurt their team if the AD of the enemy manages to farm up that u want to counter with that lane. To Run AP bot u either need a lot of CC or run all Tanky with Spellvamp. If u can do that i am willing to adapt so long i gone run with my Ap mid or top most of the time ^^[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]the thing about ranged is, if you get them down early, which is where bruisers have the problem, they are behind for a long time, and only come back if you let them. you forget that ranged scales too. if ranged gets more cs than the bruiser, he wont be outscaled. thats the reasoning behind teemo success top.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]The reason AD is now bot is that they are countered by a lot of roles. Offtanks with sustain and general dash abilities (lee, j4, irelia, etc) stomp AD carries and AP carries can just easily burst them down once they get their skills. This is why AD is thrown bot with a support that can sustain them. Now it IS possible that with the new popularity of wriggles on AD, an AD carry has a chance to sustain top, however they are still squishy as fuck and if they are caught, their dead. Cait would have a chance top, kog for sure no (no outs), maybe vayne. They are bot for a reason tho.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]That's really the issue. They're too easily countered. Jax, Cho, Olaf, etc. A single gank from a jungle and the solo ranged die almost every time. Also AD carries don't really do that kind of... "Oh man you're gonna be denied" damage. Bruisers counter-build in their lanes, so an early wriggle's or chain mail is usually all she wrote and the lane is free from there on. 700 gold is easy to get for a free win lane :P Warden's mail is the bane of ranged carry auto attackers in the top lane. Suddenly you can't attack me without endangering yourself, your attacks deal less damage, and I am healing over time :3 The best an AD carry will usually do is make the lane annoying for 5 min or so until the bruiser has items. At which point you steamroll the squishy ^_^[/quote]