Katarina is ridiculous!

[quote=Luther3000]Depends on positioning a lot, of course. Tournament players usually have near-perfect positioning. But almost any AP can nuke almost any AD pretty much from 100% to 0% in a full combo assuming the game isn't one-sided and they didn't get a Veil yet. I must admit, I've completely forgotten what this had to do with Kat now though. =P[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]It has to do with Kat forcing CC's on her and how that lets AD carries and assassin types act differently than otherwise.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Perhaps, but I really don't think it's enough to justify her presence. To go back to this: [quote=DuffTime] Well if this were true then you'd never see an AD carry in tournament play. [/quote] There's a reason Kat is never seen in tournament play (far as I know).[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]So much words and one reason. Kat isnt bad, shes an assassin. Assassins dont, never in the whole lofe, jump in the middle of the fight. They are squishy and strong, but squishy. Forget Kat, imagine Talon. Hes OMGWTFHITKILL, and you can find one often. Talons dont join a 1v2 fight, they wait until someone dies and kills the other. The teamfight starts. Ashe is back there shooting her arrow, and dies in the other second. Coming back to the Kat situation. Just take care, dont jump and ult, use it smartly.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]See you're wrong, Dignitas used Kat to snowball into one of their tournaments, she was part of why they were able to get in. ^_^ She dumped on a lot of top teams.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Kay then, I wasn't watching evidently. :P[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=DuffTime] See you're wrong, Dignitas used Kat to snowball into one of their tournaments, she was part of why they were able to get in. ^_^ She dumped on a lot of top teams. [/quote] Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Katarina is a champ that's supposed to be situationally strong. Strong, but very susceptible to CC. The product of this is that she's typically terrible (but not all the time) in tournaments, where she HAS to be picked last (and even then she has to be against a low-CC team) to do well, yet she's very strong in low elo, where even high-CC teams can't counter her well because they have no idea how to do it.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns][quote]She is so easily countered? Malz' ult is even more easy to counter. Why the hell was he at Dreamhack? I mean, any CC PLUS QSS can screw him up.[/quote] All of malzahars skills are strong, not just his ult. For Kat BB is kay, Shunpo is good if you can finish people with it, but it still puts you in melee range, and her ult is very strong, but shut down like malzas. Malza on the other hand has 3 other very strong skills to use other than his easy to counter ult. Additionally, he is an exceptional farmer / pusher, and a pretty good laner. I guess I do agree that kat could be stronk with the right team. A morgana would help her immensly, as would someone like malphite , or galio for the AoE CC so they couldn't stop her. This however would require perfect positioning from your team, and flawless coordination. Also, she is ridiculously outclassed by akali, and talon. But like I said, I don't care about that, I just feel she's too good of a pub stomper.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I think she might be better than Talon is right now tbh. He was better before the mana nerfs for sure. She's better than Malz is right now for sure :) Kat's a strong laner too right now ^_^ But yes, very good coordination and timing with team, which is why she falls short in solo queue and succeeds in organized team play ^_^[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK][quote=DuffTime] But yes, very good coordination and timing with team, which is why she falls short in solo queue and succeeds in organized team play ^_^ [/quote] exactly. and yea, dyng with Kat is not always the worst thing if your team knows to clean up. Here's how it rolls with Kat: 1. The enemy puts tons of CC on you, has none for your allies, they shit on them while you die. 2. The enemy has no CC (unlikely) or they use it on your other teammates, and you shit on all of them. =D There's the problem with her in soloq: *see the word allies? you have none of those usually l0l*[/quote]