Ashe - the most underrated and abused champion...

[quote=omagma]Ashe droll Tristana rule[/quote]

[quote=Arcanitum][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] "With the right build" Ashe currently cant fight her way out of a paper bag. Shes outclassed by all the other ad carries. I could go on. But youre oblivious to this. Tristana is fotm since they used her at gamescon with wriggles. [/quote] It's kinda' hard to argue with you, because you seem to pretty much HATE Ashe. It may be because you got your ass kicked by her or something, I don't know, but claiming that she's so horrible compared to other AD carries is just stupid.[/quote]

[quote=omagma][quote=Arcanitum] It's kinda' hard to argue with you, because you seem to pretty much HATE Ashe. It may be because you got your ass kicked by her or something, I don't know, but claiming that she's so horrible compared to other AD carries is just stupid. [/quote] Lol, even when people have clear facts, you still just stand by your stupid reasoning's You are almost like a religious man :D[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Arcanitum] I'm just saying, that with a right build, Ashe can annihilate any champion that comes in it's path. You can easily kite tanks (if you know how to do it right) and take out squishes in seconds (again, if you know how to use Ashe). The problem is that people don't know how to use and build Ashe, which makes her look worse than most of carries. [/quote] Again, any AD carry can do this better than Ashe, except for the kiting part, which is easily made up for by other AD carries having escape skills. It's simply a [i]fact[/i] that every other AD does more damage than Ashe. You only have to look at their stats to know this. Don't get me wrong though, I like Ashe and she isn't [i]bad[/i] or anything. She just isn't among the best AD carries at the moment.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Arcanitum] (again, if you know how to use Ashe) The problem is that people don't know how to use and build Ashe, which makes her look worse than most of carries. [/quote] No, this has nothing to do with Ashe. This has only to do with Game Mechanics, it's very simple. You're failing to understand simple game mechanics and you keep coming back to this secret method of using Ashe as if you have some golden key to the treasure chest of Ashe power :P You really think that with the massive player base League possesses that nobody has even imagined to try your build? You build a set up with 700 damage crits. That was your example, correct? Vayne comes along with 2 damage steroids in her R and W. Not to mention if she nails you, you die instantly. Now what happens? Ashe gets LITERALLY 2-3 shotted. Vayne's DPS is at least 3-4 times harder than ashe's at any relevant point in the game. It would take Ashe 6-7 shots to kill Vayne. This is simple game mechanics, you do not have the kind of damage on Ashe that Vayne has inherently. There is no secret Ashe build or play style that will ever get you the kind of damage other carries possess. Ever. You have to make up for your [i][b]lack[/b][/i] of damage with kiting and utility, and because of that, the common consensus is that Ashe is a weaker carry than other options.[/quote]

[quote=iBradlee]^ What he said. I like Ashe. She's fun to play from time to time. But, that doesn't change the indisputable fact that she IS outclassed in terms of damage output by other AD Carries. There's no amount of BS you can write to change that, either.[/quote]

[quote=Icuonuez][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Arcanitum] (again, if you know how to use Ashe) The problem is that people don't know how to use and build Ashe, which makes her look worse than most of carries. [/quote] No, this has nothing to do with Ashe. This has only to do with Game Mechanics, it's very simple. You're failing to understand simple game mechanics and you keep coming back to this secret method of using Ashe as if you have some golden key to the treasure chest of Ashe power :P You really think that with the massive player base League possesses that nobody has even imagined to try your build? You build a set up with 700 damage crits. That was your example, correct? Vayne comes along with 2 damage steroids in her R and W. Not to mention if she nails you, you die instantly. Now what happens? Ashe gets LITERALLY 2-3 shotted. Vayne's DPS is at least 3-4 times harder than ashe's at any relevant point in the game. It would take Ashe 6-7 shots to kill Vayne. This is simple game mechanics, you do not have the kind of damage on Ashe that Vayne has inherently. There is no secret Ashe build or play style that will ever get you the kind of damage other carries possess. Ever. You have to make up for your [i][b]lack[/b][/i] of damage with kiting and utility, and because of that, the common consensus is that Ashe is a weaker carry than other options. [/quote] I've seen a Vayne lane against Ashe. It was scary.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]By scary you mean snowbally?[/quote]

[quote=Icuonuez][quote=DuffTime] By scary you mean snowbally? [/quote] By snowbally, you mean two-shotting everyone?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]That lane is probably the freest, easiest, happiest, trolliest match up ever know to man kind. Another stupidly easy match up for Vayne? EZREAL. You know how many Ezreal players think that Arcane shift counters Vayne? LOL.[/quote]