What happened to the role of the mage?

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=ZioSerpe] Seriusly, sustained mage DPS? [[cassiopeia]] case closed. Pantheon IS A FUCKING AD CATSER TYPE LIKE TALON. The fact you people are dumb enough to go tanky DPS on him doesn't make him one. Panth is THE champ I learnt LoL with, and the 1st one I ever theorycrafted on, npot to mention the champ I learn how to itemize with, I've seen lots of fail to shit builds on, at the beginning people went aspd/AD on him, then I that one hilarious phrek spotlight, and now lots of people playing him as a tanky DPS, obviusly I'm not even a fucking bit surprised none of them is in high elo. Pantheon is an AD caster, try build him correctly and you'll see. Also [[Riven]] can be considered an AD caster, unless obviusly you're so dumb to read guide from mobafire and build her watmoggs. I learnt that on my skin and to hell I'm going for watmoggs riven again, but what the hell do I know, I cna clearly recall westrice playing riven as a watmoggs char at MLG, oh wait... TL;DR frozen mallet or crit or watmogs on [[pantheon]]? kill yourself [/quote] I lol'd so damn hard at this. Watmogs so funnay. Yes, Panth is an AD caster. Honestly, "watmogs" is one of the strongest items on any melee AD champ. Gives survivability from the HP, and to a lesser extent, the armor as well. It gives [b]FREE DAMAGE[/b]! Why wouldn't you want that? Also, throwing [[Frozen mallet]] in to that mix is even stronger. More AD from mallet, albeit not much. More HP so you don't die. More AD from the HP so you do more damage. It's win-friggin-win! The slow is just a nice bonus on top of it all if they somehow manage to get away after the stun.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah Panth is an AD caster but he's also a melee and he does work well with Atmogg's :P[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Pardon me, CATSER :D[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288]Tanky DPS is the meta. No point in trying to figure out why it just is, just roll with the punches. If you take a mage just don't build like a glass cannon.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Joobieo] Tanky DPS is the meta. No point in trying to figure out why it just is, just roll with the punches. If you take a mage just don't build like a glass cannon. [/quote] =_= Ryze + WotA vrs tanky champions. You guys will thank me later.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice][quote=Trojan995] Yeah, mages will always be necessary for a few reasons: 1. counter to AD. they can zone or kill AD carries in a team fight, because the second the AD carry steps in range they're dead. 2. Most AoE damage. AD carries can't really provide AoE damage, and even champions like Graves that are focused on AoE damage can't compare to most mages in terms of AoE. Tanky DPS don't usually provide heavy AoE either. 3. Heaviest CC. A lot of tanks have CC, but they don't have damage (and when they do have damage, they generally don't have a lot of CC). Most AD carries have damage, but they don't have CC. Mages provide that middle ground, where you can get CC on your team while still having another source of heavy DPS. 4. Magic damage. You honestly can't get enough magic damage to make the enemy build MRes from any other source. If the enemy doesn't build MRes, you're basically screwed because they'll destroy you with sunfire + thornmail + randuins + whatever other armor items they want. [/quote] This. Caster burst is fucking rediculous, and a lot of them have extremely game changing ultimates. Take annie for example. I drop tibbers on your two squishies, obliterate them, then pop zhonya's. What you gonna do now? Casters can singlehandedly win fights when played properly. Players complaining about casters vs tanky dps just don't understand casters. -.-[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I agree with all the above, but the distinction should be made clear as well that sustained DPS mages like Ryze can use WotA just like an AD carry can use lifesteal. Burst casters are a different story and a different function, no less viable and important.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=ZioSerpe] Seriusly, sustained mage DPS? [[cassiopeia]] case closed. Pantheon IS A FUCKING AD CATSER TYPE LIKE TALON. The fact you people are dumb enough to go tanky DPS on him doesn't make him one. Panth is THE champ I learnt LoL with, and the 1st one I ever theorycrafted on, npot to mention the champ I learn how to itemize with, I've seen lots of fail to shit builds on, at the beginning people went aspd/AD on him, then I that one hilarious phrek spotlight, and now lots of people playing him as a tanky DPS, obviusly I'm not even a fucking bit surprised none of them is in high elo. Pantheon is an AD caster, try build him correctly and you'll see. Also [[Riven]] can be considered an AD caster, unless obviusly you're so dumb to read guide from mobafire and build her watmoggs. I learnt that on my skin and to hell I'm going for watmoggs riven again, but what the hell do I know, I cna clearly recall westrice playing riven as a watmoggs char at MLG, oh wait... TL;DR frozen mallet or crit or watmogs on [[pantheon]]? kill yourself [/quote] I lol'd so damn hard at this. Watmogs so funnay. Yes, Panth is an AD caster. Honestly, "watmogs" is one of the strongest items on any melee AD champ. Gives survivability from the HP, and to a lesser extent, the armor as well. It gives [b]FREE DAMAGE[/b]! Why wouldn't you want that? [/quote] Because I know how to fucking play, that is why. As an AD caster you need to rape your opponent in 1 combo (just like an AP caster) and being AD 1 or maybe 2 AA, nothink more. Chasing while autoattacking with Panth is just stupid. And guess what, you can't kill in 1 combo when you wasted 3 items slots for fratmogs. On panth you need brutalizer 2 thirsters the occasional LW for damage and mercs/tabis+banshee's ile yofor your defensive stats. Frankly I'm everyday less surprised of the fail builds you find in the guide section for multiple champions considering the lack of game mechanics knoweledge I encounter in threads.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Joobieo] Tanky DPS is the meta. No point in trying to figure out why it just is, just roll with the punches. If you take a mage just don't build like a glass cannon. [/quote] =_= Ryze + WotA vrs tanky champions. You guys will thank me later. [/quote] Forgetting about Frozen Heart.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Not forgetting. That is assumed.[/quote]