Stop this hate on Supportzilean

[quote=Yukimaru]Ok let me show you, a half year ago "OMFG ZILEAN AP BADDY Y U NO BUILD AP ZILEAN 100 ELO SCRUB REPORT" and now it's "ZILEAN MID AP MID AP NOOB Y U NO MID AP 100 ELO SCRUB REPORT" the ppl always tend to do what the high elo ppl do just because they are high elo and so it's the best? *roflmao* yeh sure. Ok to get to the point, Zilean is a good AP Champ, he has a overpowered ultimate, a slow, bombs that he spams like every 2 or 3 seconds with, for the cooldown time, overpowered scaling, they also have a basedmg of 320, thats high also. Zilean is a strong midchamp, but just because hes a strong mid champ he IS NOT A BAD SUPPORT. He has his bombs, if the enemy doesnt has Soraka their support will soon run out of mana cuz they, if they even have a heal, always need to heal, his bombs deal so fuckin strong wtfbbq dmg in the early game you harass and zone the shit out of them and with proper warding you dont even need to fear ganks, why should u? omg enemy jungler comes !*speed up* *cooldownreduce spell* *speed up ally* *trollface the gank* His ultimate is also so goodlike, espicially in the laningphase, what makes the ult so strong isnt that it revives(its just a singletarget heal with 400-800 Base HP heal and 2 HP more for every AP, so like Soraka heal with 30 seconds downtime in the end... oh wait.) its the "revivetime" if the victim would revive with like 0,1 second delay, no problem you just kill him right away again, but cuz of that animation they need to change their focus/allys lay havoc on em. Support Zilean falls of in mid-lane, but gets stronger in late game if he slowly builds his AP items(and still wards), hes a very strong and viable pick(just soraka counters him so hard) so stop that hate and try to look with ur own eyes instead looking through your "glasses" called "Livestream".[/quote]

[quote=Samoh]I totally agree, I think a lot of people take far to much from streams. I enjoy watching them, and they definitely help. Zilean is a good champion in mid, and solo top, I think most of us agree there. But that isn't to say that (In my opinion) there aren't better champions for the job. But he is good, and I wan't to see more people playing him.[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]Support Zilean is a niche support. The thing that makes him a semi-viable support are his bombs, the other thing he has is a slow/speed up. You have very limited tools to ensure your carry his farm without getting killed. Every other common support does the job better, Sona has a speed boost, slow, heal, nice harass and a king ult, for example. He gets shat on usually. Just don't do it. But oh well, I already told this a thousand times to you. :p AP Zilean is a king. Just pointing that out. And his ult is by far not godlike in the lane, your carry needs to die to make it effective. Kinda risky, eh? And completely useless on a dominating lane.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]I really prefer support Zilean. He has only one skill to nuke enemies, so he has to go, use it and run until it CDs. If you want a AP, get Malzahar or Vlad, their skills deal damage, all of them. People are too idiot, they think that high ELO are god, they watch streams thinking they'll learn things, but those "gods" only do things that they know, and in the end, the people say: "omg, I love streams, I'd never do that"[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]Support zilean is fairly useless. His CC is mediocre - can't really do much. He has no sustain. His poke in lane is good, but he doesn't have much to follow up on the enemy. Basically the only way you'll guarantee a kill in lane with zilean is if you double-bomb when the enemy isn't expecting it. Alternatively, zilean is screwed if the enemy has any type of CC. His ultimate can be useful as support zilean, but if he has no AP his target revives at 1/4 health, if that. And he basically scales into late game horribly if he goes support zilean, because his ult doesn't revive with enough health to do anything and his bombs do about as much damage as piss-filled water balloons. The thing that makes him worse than other non-sustain poke-supports, such as yorick and gangplank, is that they have utility that doesn't need to scale (yorick's ultimate, gangplank's ultimate and AoE speed/AD boost). Zilean has utility and damage that needs to scale to be useful late game. So, in the end, zilean is going to be beat late-game by any support, and possibly even early game, depending on the support you pick. Put zilean mid, all of these problems are alleviated.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=TheJohn] I really prefer support Zilean. He has only one skill to nuke enemies, so he has to go, use it and run until it CDs. If you want a AP, get Malzahar or Vlad, their skills deal damage, all of them. [/quote] Damage isn't the only thing that matters, and you fail to take into account that he uses it TWICE (which, with a 0.9 AP ratio, is now as strong as Sion, but RANGED, now I'm sure we can all agree that Sion hits like a truck). His Ult has a 2.0 AP ratio, basically, your AD carry comes back with full health, or only half, late game. It makes a huge difference. It's as Elementz once said, You need two of three things to be a support - A shield Sustain (usually in the form of a heal) CC Zilean has one, and it's a poor CC at that. The fact that you'd want to only use a single skill (his E), when you have crazy ratios at your disposal is silly. Support Zilean makes no sense. It's good for fun, I won't condemn anybody for using it, but it really isn't viable.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]I like Bot-lane zil.. Thing is, i don't go 0 cs support i take a cs once in a while until i have my 2 gold items.. Philly stone - Kages lucky pick After a RoA ur Revive should be able to revive a Ad-carry to full-ish health. His bombs have some pretty darn nice base stats![/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]Support Zil - Check what Trojan said AP Zil - 1 nuke skill My suggestion: dont get zilean[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Xenasis makes a good case, Zilean has the same damge ratios and number of damage skills as AP Sion, but his is ranged and can't be broken. Not to mention his massive AP ratio on his ult. So in theory he's at least as strong as AP Sion is.[/quote]

[quote=JMastiff]Stick to your way Yukimaru. I'm no vet but it seems like meta is kind of stagnant when it comes to supports. There is really so much to discover. You can find threads about Yorick or Ashe going support. They dont cover many of Trojan and Xenasis points but still go well. So yeah, go figure it out yourself. This game is far too complicated to be sure enough and make such a specific definition of a support. With incoming new gp10 runes it can change dramatically. Find a team and do it the right way.[/quote]