ziggs is NOT op

[quote=omagma]Ziggs is fun to play. /2 cent.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I believe that xD[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Ziggs deals more dmg than your average autoaim skilluser. Like skillshots deal more dmg than autoaim. Satchel and Proxi mines are used to control ppl less than damaging them.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Unless you're Ryze D:[/quote]

[quote=iBradlee]Ziggs is strong, not OP. I dunno why you consider Ziggs' laning phase subpar, Duff. His early damage/poke is awesome, and I don't find it too hard to land most every Q in lane. Just takes a few games to get completely used to. It's pretty easy to zone out your opponent with your minefield and bombs, as well. I've laned against people who start boots, to try an' counter me, but honestly if you're good at landing Q's, it's not going to make much of a difference, just makes it a tad more annoying. I would agree, though, that his lane phase is pretty lackluster if you're not very good at landing all your skills properly. LITERALLY every single Ziggs I've played with/against (Probably around 4-5) fed hard, got no more than 3-4 kills, and didn't CS well. Also, early Blue on Ziggs is ridiculous. He's a farming/poking/zoning machine, when you have shorter CD's and increased Mana regen. I'll push my lane to their tower, toss my E + Q simultaneously into their wraiths, go back and do the same for mine, and continue zoning out the enemy mid. Wait till wraiths respawn, rinse and repeat. Also, level 6 = Dead enemy mid. I THINK I've killed the mid lane opponent every game I've played so far, literally the moment I hit 6.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I never see ziggs win yet. Always lose :oP[/quote]

[quote=Protocol]I feel like Zigg's falls behind in the late game. He becomes very easy to kill. All though in jungle team fights, unless you have everything warded, he becomes mobile artillery and it is very frustrating.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] I never see ziggs win yet. Always lose :oP [/quote] Probably because his kit is really hard to use. Also, people playing him don't know how to position properly at all because of the wide difference in range on all his skills. People aren't playing him like gragas.[/quote]

[quote=example1013]GRAGAS OP, NEEDS NERF. ZIGGS FINE, NERF GRAGAS.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=example1013] GRAGAS OP, NEEDS NERF. ZIGGS FINE, NERF GRAGAS. [/quote] What's op about a 1000 damage AoE-knockback nuke on a 24s cooldown? o_O Or his 700 damage AoE nuke on a 3s cooldown?[/quote]