Runes Question

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Luther3000] If you want defence on AP just go health/lvl yellows imo. Maybe even armour/lvl. Why get flat armour when you're laning against an AP? You also listed way too much stuff bearing in mind he only has two runepages and probably not much IP. [/quote] The last game i played as AP mid was as soraka. Soraka has 11 base armor. If you take two shots from a wave of 6 minions you are at HALF HEALTH. You can be more aggressive with armor runes because creeps do less damage.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Spells don't even draw creep aggro.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Luther3000] Spells don't even draw creep aggro. [/quote] You still get hit by creeps when you go to zone people.[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim]Wow the maths have spoken. Time to ditch my ArP for some AD runes if I'm only going to lose 2.7% dps and gain some much-needed help in last-hitting. Although I would assume ArP are still more beneficial for junglers, seeing as how last hitting isn't a part of that equation. I'm not sold on the Movespeed quints for everyone though. If I can't position my AD carry correctly to start with, I'm probably going to be extremely dead long before my slightly faster running can help me. For junglers and top laners it makes more sense.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Klausenheim] Wow the maths have spoken. Time to ditch my ArP for some AD runes if I'm only going to lose 2.7% dps and gain some much-needed help in last-hitting. Although I would assume ArP are still more beneficial for junglers, seeing as how last hitting isn't a part of that equation. I'm not sold on the Movespeed quints for everyone though. If I can't position my AD carry correctly to start with, I'm probably going to be extremely dead long before my slightly faster running can help me. For junglers and top laners it makes more sense. [/quote] All that math is done for an AD carry, with a fully stacked BT, LW, IE, PD, and berserkers greaves, with 21/x/x masteries and AD quints. If you modify anything the math would have to be redone. At level 1 AD marks are better, but ArP is better late. Most junglers who don't have an auto attack reset, or an AD scaling ability will benefit from attack speed marks more so than ArP i believe.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Temzilla] At level 1 AD marks are better, but ArP is better late. [/quote] Sounds about right. Who buys runes for late game anyway? :P[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim]True story on the attack speed runes. I guess I was just surprised to see that it was only a 2.7% loss, even under those specific conditions. I always imagined it was far more drastic, in the 10-15% range, which would justify the difficulties experienced early game. At least now it is something that I will toy with personally until I find a setup that works best.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] But later I assume with % ArP mastery and LW, the AD > the flat ArP.[/quote] Actually no. I'm not 100% sure, but If I remember it correctly then ArP marks are still better than AD marks, even with those 46%ArP. [quote]I do know that the difference is minor either way against champions. It's worth it imo just for the way easier last hitting.[/quote] Fuck no. AD falls off very hard against champions while it remains good against minions throughout the game. It's basically like this: AD is good while your AD scaling damage is low, but gets less effective the more damage you get. ArP is a percental increase in damage, so it will always remain good (just less effective the more armor enemies stack).[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] Prty sure you hit a lot harder very early game with AD? o_O Might be wrong about that but it feels that way.[/quote] You do, but they fall of HARD in mid and late unless you build a lot of crit. Even with crit and LW the AD quints are still behind the ArP quints.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Klausenheim] True story on the attack speed runes. I guess I was just surprised to see that it was only a 2.7% loss, even under those specific conditions. I always imagined it was far more drastic, in the 10-15% range, which would justify the difficulties experienced early game. At least now it is something that I will toy with personally until I find a setup that works best.[/quote] Nope, AS runes are useless for ganks and only really help in the jungle. You should normally grab 10-15ArP then the rest as AS if you want the optimal setup. A lot of people run 11.667ArP just because the golems have 12 armor. As for those calcs; he made them with a FULL endgame build that has several items that make AD more effective and an item that makes ArP less effective. So before those items; in midgame you'll deal noticeably more damage with ArP. Still, I wouldn't say AD marks are bad if you can't lasthit well, but if you're good enough I think ArP marks should be taken.[/quote]