Karma, tanky AP

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=Slappiz] [quote=Lugignaf] Neither does Soraka's. People still played her as such and, iirc, one of the top rated guides for her is AP carry Soraka. [/quote] And 1 out of 100 is able to carry with Soraka, seems legit ? [/quote] You don't remember the time when everyone on the official forums called Soraka OP. Those were the days.... [/quote] Well the official forum is swarmed by unskilled players. :O[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]>1900 ELO player >unskilled >wat Yes. 1900 ELO players called her OP.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Soraka was OP. Just look at the kinds of nerfs she got and what happened to her ratios.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Slappiz] [quote=Lugignaf] Neither does Soraka's. People still played her as such and, iirc, one of the top rated guides for her is AP carry Soraka. [/quote] And 1 out of 100 is able to carry with Soraka, seems legit ? [/quote] Soraka beats: [[Ahri]] [[Anivia]] [[Annie]] [[Brand]] [[Gragas]] [[Heimerdinger]] [[Katarina]] [[LeBlanc]] [[Lux]] [[Mordekaiser]] [[Morgana]] [[Rumble]] [[Ryze]] [[Veigar]] [[Viktor]] [[Ziggs]] Or atleast, those are the winnable matchups. She brings huge team fight potential as a tanky AP mage. Solo soraka is really strong against anyone who can't push, and also trades REALLY well.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]^arent those matchups because [[soraka]] has an instant silence and because of her passive?[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim]I feel like Katarina would do OK, she does have grievous wounds after all. Anyway, back on topic: What do you perceive as the real benefit of having Karma top and a different AP mid over my suggestion? double WotA's?[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Lugignaf] >1900 ELO player >unskilled >wat Yes. 1900 ELO players called her OP. [/quote] 1900 elo is full of unskilled players and I wouldn't call it high elo...[/quote]

[quote=Ferrick][quote=Klausenheim] [quote=Somalie] Won't never happen in soloqueue as people would prefer cut their throat and leave the queue than playing with a top/mid karma. [/quote] Gotta agree with Somalie on this one. I had a blast with Karma on her free week a few months ago, but good luck getting your team to understand you NEED farm to be useful, therefore you can't support bot. I think she's an awesome character (not perfect, but still fun), but trying to cram her into the meta is futile. RIOT should relabel her as an AP mage. That way people might at least give you a chance to mid or top. [/quote] She is an awesome champ as you say and Riot [u]should[/u] label her as an AP mid as the vast majority of Karma players want her to be but they fear that Riot is going to rework her as Support. If they do, it will be the loss of a very interesting champion.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=Ferrick] She is an awesome champ as you say and Riot [u]should[/u] label her as an AP mid as the vast majority of Karma players want her to be but they fear that Riot is going to rework her as Support. If they do, it will be the loss of a very interesting champion. [/quote] If Riot does rework Karma to be a more viable support, I do kinda' assume that even if we do lose her as an interesting champion in other roles, she will remain interesting as a support. So it'll likely sum to zero. Although, as both a support player and someone who finds Karma very fun, my opinion isn't exactly unbiased.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=lifebaka] If Riot does rework Karma to be a more viable support, I do kinda' assume that even if we do lose her as an interesting champion in other roles, she will remain interesting as a support. So it'll likely sum to zero. Although, as both a support player and someone who finds Karma very fun, my opinion isn't exactly unbiased. [/quote] They are apparently pushing her into the more AP mage role while still maintaining the "support aspect" on her as well. She's getting some hard CC, which people say she was lacking with her only CC being an unreliable AoE slow while also bumping up raw numbers to maker her feel more impactful as a support. They're also changing up mantra effects to make them feel more like an ultimate. All this is what I've picked up from bumming the official forums so, don't 100% quote me on it.[/quote]