Nocturne counters Shen?

[quote=tehAsian]This just suddenly hit me. Solo Top [[nocturne]] can be a huge counter to solo top [[shen]]. [[shen]] is hard to farm with against champions who can heavily push a lane. [[nocturne]] has his passive which simultaneously gives him lane sustain while heavily pushing to [[shen]]'s tower. [[shen]] needs to have allied vision to cast [[stand united]]. As [[nocturne]], if you have map awareness, popping [[paranoia]] will cancel his global presence. You can also fear him out of his ult. If [[shen]] DOES use [[stand united]], you can easily use [[paranoia]]'s dash to go to where the teamfight is, given you are level 11+ or if you're close enough. If [[shen]] leaves the lane, push to his turret and blow it up. You can spell shield and Q away from ganks easily, since you're mainly using your passive to do everything, or if you aren't spamming skills to harass. Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=MildlyMalicious][[Shadow Dash]] cancels out his fear if used correctly since noct has to be in the same range to use his spell. [[Shen]]'s global can be cancelled by the fear but the [[Nocturne]] would need to cast it within one second of [[Shen]] starting his ult to counter it. Otherwise, it would have to be a "gotta see it in action first" before i would make a judgement call. I'm thinking maybe but [[Nocturne]] performs best in the jungle before anywhere else.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]In theory, it works. Your ult is on a shorter CD than his and all it would take is some clever communication to stop it each time as simply using it while he's channeling will stop it if I remember correctly. You out-push him naturally because he's a terrible pusher. Only problem is, Shen builds to counter lane. He doesn't need damage items. He just builds full tank and he's set for the game.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]Whenever I am wondering if [[nocturne]] will be a good counter for someone I just remember an old adage I always use: "[[nocturne]] counters F***ing everyone". Amen brother. Amen.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]@Lugignaf Well, the point isnt to kill him in lane. It's to deny his ult and usefulness pre-teamfights and interrupt/punish him for using it. Killing him isn't a goal. @Mildly If you have fast reactions, you can RRE him really quickly. :3[/quote]

[quote=MildlyMalicious][quote=tehAsian] @Mildly If you have fast reactions, you can RRE him really quickly. :3 [/quote] True enough. Better hope that internet speed is decent though :3[/quote]

[quote=Somalie]If Shen ult while standing next to noct, it can be done. If there was some space between those 2 (classique last hitting situation, with some distance and sometimes poke harass etc), then Shen can E away and ult. Human reaction time + time to go in fear range + those 2 sec of fear activation could then be longer than 3 sec :D I have to test how Noct deals with the Q harass from Shen and how he can trade dmg when Shen attacks him with taunt and stuff, but I guess the main strengh of noct is his push hability and high dmg (pewpew the tower), fucking Shen way more that the noct ult. Shen wont die and could help other lanes, but Shen will lost his tower very quickly.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Actually, [[shen]] won't be able to help other lanes if you're good enough. Also, having [[nocturne]] top could have 3v1 ganks on mid, another good point. The Q harass may be difficult to manage, but shouldn't matter after some Mres or [[wriggle's lantern]], or even a [[spirit visage]] Oh, [[nocturne]] could also take [[teleport]] to COMPLETELY screw [[shen]] over.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Hmm, if you gank mid, it will be at least 2vs3, shen also got his ulti.^^ Other than that, if you say that, [[soraka]] could also counter [[shen]], she can heal his dmg, push heavily and silence him when he ults.^^[/quote]

[quote=Forgottenduty]Or you just ban shen^^[/quote]