Runes for Shyvana

[quote=DuffTime]AD items are fine. Just better to tank up first and get the AD after.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Because I'm sick and tired of doing no damage in fights. I'm FRUSTRATED at being IGNORED by the other team then having them 5v1 me because my whole team is DEAD and I COULDN'T DO SQUAT. What's the point of being tanky as hell if the other team won't target you? There's no REASON TO. What's the point of being a strong duelist if you can't kill anyone? THAT'S IGNORING HER SKILL SET. I'm saying Madreds is good because it gives [[shyvana]] EVERYTHING she needs. Tankiness, damage, and attack speed. Of course you aren't going to build [[shyvana]] as a glass cannon, champions like [[ashe]] and [[sivir]] would tear you apart. But if you build tank, all you're going to achieve is being a fat dragon that sits in the middle of a fight. You're just going to be like a 6 [[warmog's armor]] [[cho'gath]] with his ult wasted on minions. You're just going to be a Armor Debuff bot, and [[jarvan iv]] can do the exact same thing but BETTER, and STILL do more damage.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=tehAsian] Because I'm sick and tired of doing no damage in fights. I'm FRUSTRATED at being IGNORED by the other team then having them 5v1 me because my whole team is DEAD and I COULDN'T DO SQUAT. What's the point of being tanky as hell if the other team won't target you? There's no REASON TO. What's the point of being a strong duelist if you can't kill anyone? THAT'S IGNORING HER SKILL SET. I'm saying Madreds is good because it gives [[shyvana]] EVERYTHING she needs. Tankiness, damage, and attack speed. Of course you aren't going to build [[shyvana]] as a glass cannon, champions like [[ashe]] and [[sivir]] would tear you apart. But if you build tank, all you're going to achieve is being a fat dragon that sits in the middle of a fight. You're just going to be like a 6 [[warmog's armor]] [[cho'gath]] with his ult wasted on minions. You're just going to be a Armor Debuff bot, and [[jarvan iv]] can do the exact same thing but BETTER, and STILL do more damage. [/quote] You aren't building like a tank. You're building like an offtank. Shyvana does a LOT of damage in team fights with just her Fratma's, not to mention the fact that the 40% slow isn't to be messed with. Shyvana is a tanky DPS made to do damage rather than disrupt like, say, Jarvan does. You're not ignoring Shyvana's skillset, you're working with it. She has speed boosts, melee steroids, and a gap closer. This means she will be in melee range most of the time. With her incredibly high damage, you don't need AD straight away to deal damage, Shvyana has some of the highest for a tanky DPS in the game. Shyvana is focussed for two reasons - 1. She's a big scary dragon melee up in your face, and usually the closest thing to target 2. She does a [u]lot[/u] of damage if you build her like an off tank If you want to play a carry, play a carry. Shyvana is not a carry and is not supposed to be dealing the highest damage on the team. Shyvana's job is to keep people off your carries using slows, shield damage, debuff everyone, and destroy some health bars as much as you can. It's someone like Graves' job to kill everyone.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=tehAsian] You always want to be in your ult in fights >_> And you probably won't hit 5 people, just like how [[burnout]] isn't guaranteed to either. [/quote] Yus but Burnout is a huge ass 360 degree AoE while Twin Bite is a smaller AoE in front of her only. It's not unreasonable to expect hitting at least 3 people with Burnout.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]@Xen I was actually talking about all the tank builds, and everyone who says "Shyv, wtf why aren't you building tank, isn't that what you are?" then call me stupid when I get Fratmas -.- Offtank is fine for me. Then I'm arguing building AD is beneficial because it gives you threat in a fight. Mindset of people in my [s]shitty[/s] Elo = Full tank Shyv #1 = no damage = no threat. @Luther Sometimes people are spread out. Idk. I always expect to hit 2-3 people with Q.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Building some AD is pretty good mane.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]@Xen Exactly. Fratma is prolly the best source of AD for her.[/quote]